i love when people try to make their opinions out to be objective fact.

actually i dont, i hate it.

define 'piece of art' TC.

[QUOTE="shani_boy101"]It's called changing standards. The game was released a year ago, and there have been heaps of awesome games (e.g. RDR, AC Brotherhood) they now had to compare the game to. If GTA IV or MGS4 came out now they probably would get something like 9.5, and Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 (another perfect score at the time) would probably get an 8.Master_ShakeXXX

Maybe GTAIV, but MGS4 would undoubtably receive a 10 no matter what time period it released. It's a technological marvel. The perfect synthesis of cinematics and gameplay blended into one extraordinary harmonious being. People need to quit denying that MGS4 is nothing short of timeless masterpiece material.

thats a nice opinion you have their champion.

I came in here thinking it was another pro-PC thread.

I was wrong.

Both games were ok. I prefer their older works (Vice City in particular).

Cliff Bleszinski? More like Cliff Blestinkski.

alternatively they could just make KH 3. but no they loving angering us dont they.

Rare may be turrible now, but I will always have some respect and love for them solely due to the epic games they made generations ago. Banjo Tooie is my favourite platformer of all time, and my 2nd favourite game of all time.

I voted'Microsoft ruined them' as it is the only logical choice.

I suppose it could be. I'd like to see more Metroid Prime style shooters out there with lengthy campaigns and exploration a key element.

Swagsurf = pwned.

they had a year, i dont see why they couldnt have produced a more polished game on the PS3.