well then i stand corrected do you happen to live in Britain? also like i said i dont like our healthcare system nor do i like britain's neither way works, both are flawed.

njean777

Every system is flawed, its just that Britain's system is far less flawed than ours. How doesn't Britains system work?

well it doesnt work in many ways. Like i said earlier if you are chronically ill britains system is not that great (heart disease, Cancer, Stokes). Wait times can be rough sometimes depending on the situation.

Wait times are not the result of the system, do you think they would be better under a private system? of course not. They are the result of the lack of GPs in the Uk, France for instance has an insanely high number of doctors compared to the local population and that is a huge factor in why their system is so good, and the reason why they have so many is because the government subsidizes medical school, its free to go the problem is whether or not you can handle it, not whether you have the money for it.

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Im am sure the whole population in Britain does not love their healthcare. Also tell me how much it is for a socialized healthcare system to be provided? Britain has many problems not including healthcare. How much does it cost to keep their healthcare? They pay more for everything then we do. Just look at their videogame prices, gas prices, food prices, car prices. They have to pay for that healthcare, Its not free. Im sure most of them love the healthcare cuz they pay a lot more for everything else.

njean777

Income, wealth, standard of living, whatever you want to call it is pretty much the same in the UK as it is in any other developed nation in the western world. Britain doesn't 'pay more for everything', the economy simply works out that way. You realise the pound is worth a lot more than the dollar? In fact before the economic crisis if you wanted a fair trade for one pound, you'd be given TWO dollars.

Then there's the tax system in britain, which will obviously be completely different to America, or any other country. It's simply naive to look at a price of a videogame, see that it's more than you pay, and conclude 'they pay more for everything' as that obviously isn't the case. The average price of a game in the states is $60, isn't it? The average price of a game in the UK is probably around £35-40. Taking into account everything i just said - higher average income, exchange rate, different tax system. People dont pay 'more' at all, it all falls into place under the economy. And as for the cost of healthcare, the US government spends more per person on healthcare than the UK does. So how can the system of healthcare in the UK be too expensive when it's cheaper than what you pay now?

EDIT: apologies for double post

well then i stand corrected do you happen to live in Britain? also like i said i dont like our healthcare system nor do i like britain's neither way works, both are flawed.

Every system is flawed, its just that Britain's system is far less flawed than ours. How doesn't Britains system work?

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="bacon_is_sweet"]

I laugh at people who don't think a national government run health care is a socialist program.

And why would you want it when Canada's and the U.K.'s government health care is awful.

njean777

may want to look up what the people in Britain and Canada think about their healthcare system before you go off and say a thing like that.

Are you kidding me? The vast majority of Canadians and UK residents would never give up their healthcare in exchange for a private system, despite their bickerings on the system. If they hate it so much, then why are the systems still in place (over 50 years now). It is impossible for a Canadian or Uk politician or party to go against the system, that would be political suicide. Neither Margaret Thatcer or Brian Mulroney dared to attempt to touch the systems and no politician to this day would touch them or go against them openly. I'll look up the stats but based on memory over 80% of people in both countries strongly support the system.

Canadian Support:

http://medicare.ca/new-poll-shows-overwhelming-support-for-public-health-care

UK support (not support of the system, but 77% want funding for the system to stay consistant and not be effected by cuts in spending, which says a lot):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/jun/29/nhs-funding-cuts-survey-bma

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Okay, let's say that you make $500,000 a year and your neighbor makes $100,000 a year. Well that's when the government comes and says, you make more money than your neighbor, so we're going to take your money and give it to your neighbor." And you can't do a thing about it. Oh, yeah, the rich people in politics don't give up their wealth, as a matter of fact, they still get tax dollars.

Americans, tell me that's what you want for your country.

topsemag55

um..that is socialism.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag and the united states of america, and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation under GOD, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Hewkii

God was also added to our money in that same period to differentiate us from those communists during the second red scare.

As i posted in the other thread.

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

-Adams, Treaty of Tripoli

Constitution, Article VI, Sect.2: "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof, and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every State shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

-Adams, Treaty of Tripoli

Constitution, Article VI, Sect.2: "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof, and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every State shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

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[QUOTE="Locke562"] How did you do that? He's speaking Parseltongue. Everyone knows Parseltongue is the mark of a dark wizard or a socialist.

Locke562

So the pope IS a dark wizard socialist, I KNEW it, he was darth sidious all along.

It's not, in fact reagan's address was far more political then obama's.

Obama:
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002108/

Reagan:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/7/778071/-VIDEO-of-President-REAGAN-INDOCTRINATING-Students-

Yes i know the source is biased but the source material is a video, which is not biased. Listen to both and make your own opinion.

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Its just politics as usual. Its amazing that people actually believed Obama when he said he would change that. Most of the men and women in the Senate and House view Obama as a joke because of his lack of experience. You can't just up and change the minds of Senators and Representatives who have been serving since Obama was in diapers.

Lindsosaurus

So true, and Congress is absolutely worthless in my opinion. It's full politicians who, for the most part, are out of touch with reality and driven purely by special interests and personal agendas. None of them really listen to anyone else and they all think they are right no matter how many times they are proven wrong. The Republicans and Democrats in congress will never be truly productive or effective because they all act like 5 year olds who get caught up arguing over pointless things simply because they like different colors. They are absolutely those annoying kids who argue just to argue. Yet they get elected because they have the ability to talk out of their butts and make people believe all of the great ideas that they propose...when in reality, most of that stuff doesn't even come close to being done. Yet, they are entrusted as the supposed "best people for the job" when it comes to writing effective laws and reform:roll: and I will end my rant by just saying Most of them don't even read the bills they blindly pass. :|

Sorry for the random tirade, as it only loosely has to do with the topic...it's just frustrating. :x :D