Yeah this server timeout crap is starting to piss me off, i played one game today and ever since then i have not been able to play because of this network issue. I will probably get flamed for this but if your gonna make a free service at least have it perform right. I would honestly rather pay a yearly fee if it will always be up and running because i never have any problems with any of my 360 games playing on Xbox Live. I love this game but if i can't even play it then it's useless. I just tried it again right now and still doesn't work. Say what you want to me but i'm not gonna hide the way i feel because i might upset fanboys. I don't only own one system so i'm not gonna be biased towards one thing and not the other, if there's a flaw in it i will address it even if someone gets upset which i'm sure somebody will. TM1

couldn't agree more.....

wow this thread started off kind of retarded (no offense) but actually became imo one of the best threads we have here on the gs forums towards the end. littlestreakier

thank you, I do what i can :)

[QUOTE="Gordon_Slaveman"]

I just feel like ranting about this, becaue this irritates me.

I don't care how many people own a 360 compared to a PS3, that does not mean sales are going to be better on the 360 than the PS3.

I just got done arguing with some guy about MGS4 going 360, and said it will sell more on the 360 than PS3 because it has bigger user base. Reality check people, that doesn't matter. I gurantee most people out there will not buy a game on 3 or more disks for 360. I game that is going to be optimized to crap for 360 because it was built for the PS3 system.... same thing with Madden. Madden sold so many more copies on 360 because it was built for 360, and the porting job to PS3 was god awful. Even if the 360 has a bigger userbase at this time, that does not mean it will sell more on that unit. I'm sorry, it just won't

MortalDecay

Hmm...Last gen the installed user base meant everything to the cows. That was their only defense against lems. Now that the PS3 is lagging behind, and not selling well at all, it all of a sudden means nothing?

Typical cow.

that's right, PS2 didn't have any good titles, gosh you are so right.

[QUOTE="Gordon_Slaveman"]

hahahahaha, people don't read reviews??? people don't care about framerates?? hahahahaha, that's why everyone is now second guessing Warhawk, and Lair after it was so hyped a couple of months ago... and that's why everyone and PS3 fanboys are pissed about Madden 08. Because madden 08 was much better on 360, with the full 60 fps... and foxhound, if that was the case, why is MGS4 exclusive to PS3, and why is UT3, and Haze exclusive to PS3??(well ut3 is time exclusive[console wise])

SpruceCaboose

Reading FTW! I said the general (average) gamer. No, the minority of gamers read reviews. Its very true. And the minority of gamers care about the differences in framerate.

If you use GameSpot SWs as a basis for how the real gaming world (and gamers) react, you are in for a rude awakening from reality.

Most gamers outside forums would not know much about Lair or Warhawk. Most would not know what FPS mean. Most would not know what HDR lighting is. We are the minority, not the majority.

i'm a manager at a gaming store, game crazy, and i'll tell you this right now, people read stuff, and then i have to try to swade them other wise, because they take those guys literally.

Install base does matter because if only around half of 360 owners pick up game X, 100% of PS3 owners have to pick up game X for it to sell the same on both systems. That does, whether or not you agree with it, send a message to game developers.jdp0412

that makes no sense, because not even 50% of the 360 user base will pick up MGS4, and PS3 userbase will......

[QUOTE="Gordon_Slaveman"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

What proof is there that MGS4 would be 3 discs?

As for installed base, its very important, to publishers, to the system makers, and to business people. If you could sell your product to a potential audience of 4 million or to one that is 14 million, which would you choose?

SpruceCaboose

hahaha even if you have that 14 million users for that system, about 800,000 will buy the game, and realize it's 10x better for the system, it was made for...... and in the long run, the company will be losin' more money just portin' it over then making it like they thought they would with your way of thinking. We'll see what happens with UT3... perfect example, we will see what happens there. Gurantee that game sells more on PS3 than 360.

The general gamer does not read reviews, they do not compare the games much, and they certainly don't care if one game is running at 30 FPS or 60 FPS.

And its not about what system a game was made for. It matters what systems the game is available on. If installed based didn't matter, why did GTA go to Xbox? Why has Assassin's Creed and DMC gone multiplatform?

Its about having more potential customers. Don't have yourself a little fit or anything over it, but strictly from a business POV, having more customers to sell to is a good thing, so installed base is very important.
Another point, if installed base is so unimportant, why are most major 3rd party developers now falling all over themselves to make games for the Wii? Its not because they like the system any more than the others, but they will have a huge audience to sell their games to.

If you try and say sales or install base (same thing) is unimportant, you must not remember the huge software advantage the PS2 enjoyed because of its huge installed base.

hahahahaha, people don't read reviews??? people don't care about framerates?? hahahahaha, that's why everyone is now second guessing Warhawk, and Lair after it was so hyped a couple of months ago... and that's why everyone and PS3 fanboys are pissed about Madden 08. Because madden 08 was much better on 360, with the full 60 fps... and foxhound, if that was the case, why is MGS4 exclusive to PS3, and why is UT3, and Haze exclusive to PS3??(well ut3 is time exclusive[console wise])

[QUOTE="Gordon_Slaveman"]hahaha even if you have that 14 million users for that system, about 800,000 will buy the game, and realize it's 10x better for the system, it was made for...... and in the long run, the company will be losin' more money just portin' it over then making it like they thought they would with your way of thinking. We'll see what happens with UT3... perfect example, we will see what happens there. Gurantee that game sells more on PS3 than 360.Vandalvideo

MGS2 sold crap on Xbox mate.... that was a huge bust for Konami.... hence how they didn't put MGS3 on xbox...

What proof is there that MGS4 would be 3 discs?

As for installed base, its very important, to publishers, to the system makers, and to business people. If you could sell your product to a potential audience of 4 million or to one that is 14 million, which would you choose?

SpruceCaboose

hahaha even if you have that 14 million users for that system, about 800,000 will buy the game, and realize it's 10x better for the system, it was made for...... and in the long run, the company will be losin' more money just portin' it over then making it like they thought they would with your way of thinking. We'll see what happens with UT3... perfect example, we will see what happens there. Gurantee that game sells more on PS3 than 360.

I just feel like ranting about this, becaue this irritates me.

I don't care how many people own a 360 compared to a PS3, that does not mean sales are going to be better on the 360 than the PS3.

I just got done arguing with some guy about MGS4 going 360, and said it will sell more on the 360 than PS3 because it has bigger user base. Reality check people, that doesn't matter. I gurantee most people out there will not buy a game on 3 or more disks for 360. I game that is going to be optimized to crap for 360 because it was built for the PS3 system.... same thing with Madden. Madden sold so many more copies on 360 because it was built for 360, and the porting job to PS3 was god awful. Even if the 360 has a bigger userbase at this time, that does not mean it will sell more on that unit. I'm sorry, it just won't