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#1 Gs4u2
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That was really good.
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sad thread
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[QUOTE="Gs4u2"] This is hopeless lmao :lol: i love the young ''philosophers'' and "history experts" in this thread thinking they know everything and they must be right.jointed
It has got nothing to do with knowing everything. It has however got something to do with knowing the very basics of American politics.

The very basics of american politics are not derived from today, nor have they always been the same, and that's what you, and many people in this thread, fail to understand. ;)
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[QUOTE="Gs4u2"] This is hopeless lmao :lol: i love the young ''philosophers'' and "history experts" in this thread thinking they know everything and they must be right.Teenaged

So those who are disagreeing with you perhpas you should be deamingly be called young philosophers and history experts....... ?

Riiiight..... :roll:

Because no one has studied history enough to say the government of the US has always been secular with no huge influence of religion
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This is hopeless lmao :lol: i love the young ''philosophers'' and "history experts" in this thread thinking they know everything and they must be right.
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#6 Gs4u2
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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE BIBLE CONDEMED SLAVERY .-Sun_Tzu-
It does matter if you are going to say it is an example of christian values in American government.

I dont think thats what the arguement started over, ive been following this thread and it began because they were arguing over nat turner laws in the 1800s, and whether the bible promoted slavery. read the thread or dont post :)
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#7 Gs4u2
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[QUOTE="Gs4u2"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Therefore religion is at fault. It makes perfect sense.

Mother Teresa condemned abortion. But I'm gonna have one in her name! She's totally responsible!

-Sun_Tzu-

ugh this is an arguement about secularism in america what are you talking about

Actually, this is a debate about christian values in American government.

Ok

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[QUOTE="Gs4u2"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Let's see what the bible says about the type of slavery that went on in the U.S. and see if those southern christians misinterpreted the bible.

Exodus 21:16: ""Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death." A condemnation of slave trading.

1 Timothy 1:8-10 " 8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that lawa is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me." Yet another condemnation of slave trading.

And then you have Exodus, where God punishes the Egyptians for enslaving the Hebrews solely because they were Hebrew. The bible does not condemn slavery as a whole, but it does not allow for all forms of slavery.

Furthermore, you have passages such as Colossians 4:1 that says how to treat one's own slaves. If you were to going to compare the manner in which 19th century slave owners treated their slaves to biblical standards, they don't exactly follow the bible (and that's an understatement).

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it does not matter if the bible condemed slavery, teh fact is southern slave owners used it to justify it

Therefore religion is at fault. It makes perfect sense.

Mother Teresa condemned abortion. But I'm gonna have one in her name! She's totally responsible!

ugh this is an arguement about secularism in america what are you talking about
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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="jointed"] That's most certainly not a Christian value. Show me a phrase in the Bible that supports it.-Sun_Tzu-

It was, slave owners used it based on their interpretation.

Let's see what the bible says about the type of slavery that went on in the U.S. and see if those southern christians misinterpreted the bible.

Exodus 21:16: ""Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death." A condemnation of slave trading.

1 Timothy 1:8-10 " 8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that lawa is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me." Yet another condemnation of slave trading.

And then you have Exodus, where God punishes the Egyptians for enslaving the Hebrews solely because they were Hebrew. The bible does not condemn slavery as a whole, but it does not allow for all forms of slavery.

Furthermore, you have passages such as Colossians 4:1 that says how to treat one's own slaves. If you were to going to compare the manner in which 19th century slave owners treated their slaves to biblical standards, they don't exactly follow the bible (and that's an understatement).

it does not matter if the bible condemed slavery, teh fact is southern slave owners used it to justify it
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#10 Gs4u2
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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="jointed"] So that's a Christian value? Preventing blacks from holding religious meetings without the presence of a licensed white minister....

Actually, that WAS a Southern Christian value. Chrisitianity played a major part in slavery, men believed owning slaves was right and proper due to the Bible. Again, it affected a group of people from practicing their religion freely, even if the religion did not harm anyone. Also, one more example, certain religions were taxed in the United States' early history.

That's most certainly not a Christian value. Show me a phrase in the Bible that supports it.

Exactly ;). Slave owners believed they were doing the right thing based on their interpretation. For further reading, I suggest these: http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=76 (particularly this one) http://www.sciway3.net/2001/john-c-calhoun/Slavery.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_slavery http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/748257/converting_african_american_slaves.html