correction, my argument comes from the Gospels and paul's letters, both of which are historically reliable. do you dispute the reliability of these texts? fanofazrienoch

Ancient Greek texts state the god Apollo shot Greeks with arrows during the siege of Troy. Do you dispute the reliability of ancient Greek historians?

1: historians are actually splite ~50/50 as to whether Jesus actually rose from the dead

2: are you willing to defend the historical reliability of these ancient texts?

3: The Gospels of Matthew and John were written by eye-witnesses. Paul used Peter and James, both eye-witnesses, as his source. and the burden of proof is on you that the Gospel and biblical authors lied.

the main problem is that I have evidence that they were not lying.

fanofazrienoch

1. Don't pull numbers out of nowhere. Wherever you're getting your random poll numbers from, if it's 50-50, then 50% are professing a persona Christian belief.

2. Are you willing to defend the historical reliability of ancient writers? You're the one who said everything ancient writers wrote must be true. Don't back away from your arguement now...

3. I saw a cloud the other day and thought it was a UFO alien aircraft. If I wrote I saw an alien aircraft, I wouldn't be lying now would I?

There are eye wittness accounts that Buddha ascended to Nirvana through enlightenment while sitting under a tree. There are thousands of histroical accounts that mention this.

The burden of proof lies on you to prove that Buddhists are lying.

once again you put up a strawman of my argument. fanofazrienoch

That would be the case if you had an arguement. But this really isn't an arguement...at this point you're just preaching your beliefs from your scripture.

1: historians assume that historical documents are reliable until proven otherwise.

2: historians assume that the writers were honest until proven otherwise because people are generally not compulsive liars when writing history

3: how am I using circular logic?

fanofazrienoch

1. Historians believe Jesus was a historical figure. They do not accept that he was the so of Go/part of God's Trinity unless they're following their personal Christian beliefs.

2. Ancient texts state that Apollo shot thousands of arrows and massacred the Greek army at Troy. What you fail to comprehend is the supernatural interpretation by ancient writers for natural events.

Earthquake ---> God(s), Floods ---> God(s)

This was their logic and this is the logic you're using

3. "The bible is true because the bible says the bible is true. The biblical writers are telling the truth because they're no liars, and what the events they recorded is true because they recorded the events." ---> That is your logic

asubzero was saying that the resurrection cannot happen because the evidence suggests that he could not do this. I said that he has to prove that a supernatural entity is bound by physics. You put up a strawman intranetusa, you assumed that I pulled out the old "oh, well you cant disprove God".

do your homework okay kiddofanofazrienoch

I see you're resorting to insults when you lack a logical argument or basis for your beliefs.

Supernatural entity indeed - my beliefs that God is a squid is just as valid as you believing God is a humanoid who sent his first creation, also a humanoid, in human form to help mankind from its sins dating back to the Old Testament's Adam and Eve.

Go ahead with your mud slinging - you're not getting any smarter.

AAHAHAHA! if they saw the evidence that he was divine, then they would become his followers:P

and another thing, your objection is nothing more than appeal to motives which is an ad hominem circumstantial argument

in other words, its a fallacy. fanofazrienoch

wow big words...accusing me. Unfortunately you're appealing to authority since you automatically assume these people to be honest, and suffering from a flock like mentality since you both share the same beliefs thus you assume everything they say to be true.

As for fallacy, at least I'm not using circular logic.

you have not proven that a supernatural entity is bound by the laws of physicsfanofazrienoch

If that's the case, God is a giant squid creature who spawned Jesus as his first tentacled son, created Mohammad to spread Islam, and freed the Jews from Egyptian captivity with mind control.

You do not have the evidence to disprove me, so what I said must be true.

fanofazrienoch

and the bible was put together at the council of nicea, it wasn't written at the counsil of nicea.

The biblical account differs depending on what version you read. The gospels were written by man, just like the Old Testament was.

Noah's ark has as much evidence as Jesus's divinity. And like it or not "followers of Jesus claiming Jesus was divine" doesn't count as a source.

evidence? fanofazrienoch

Egyptian mythology. Resurrection stories are quite common actually.

those are 2nd century creations of the gnostic christian sect.how can you possibly expect me to take them seriously?even Craig evans, who was part of the team that discovered and translated the Gospel of Judas, said that this Gospel is wholly unreliable. fanofazrienoch

That's just hypocrisy. The bible is composed of the gospels the CHURCH at Nicea deemed "fit." The Christian New TEstament was created at the Council of NIcea - it was they who pieced together the elements for the scripture...everything else was heresy