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#1 JC_Spot
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Let me ask you a question, you run EA. Now cod elite did crazy well, and made like 100 million dollars. Now your EA and say hmm we are going to release all this dlc hmm, should we be nice and give them all this content for free, nah cod elite made so much money so people are willing to spend money on something like this. Neither are better than the other

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I'm not supporting COD, I'm saying both are bad.
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[QUOTE="JC_Spot"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] Black Ops 2 is a completely new game, and COD also has the whole "Elite" thing going on. And the Premium thing is fine compared to what was going on 5-10 years ago. The expansions and boosters for Battlefield 2 came to $60 combined and had less content than what comes with Premium.Wasdie

I just feel shafted that they are releasing bonus content for a game at the same price as the game when the bonus content in no way represents the same value as the game itself. The thing with Elite is that it's a bonus, DICE/EA are actively trying to force players to go platinum by giving them advantages, both in and out of game.

There is no advantages in the game with premium. You get the weapons and maps 2 weeks early, that's not an advantage. A tiny bit of patients and you have all of the ability to have those weapons too.

The double exp weekends aren't an advantage either. Rank is meaningless once you unlock the weapons you want, which isn't difficult under normal circumstances either.

The only real advantage is the whole queue thing. That is irrelevant as well considering there is a server browser and you can just go join a half-full server instead of trying to get onto a server with 64 players. You know, just like we've done for the past 20 years. Apparently people like to think that method doesn't exist anymore.

Your arguments aren't only thin, you like to make a lot of assumptions that aren't true at all.

Firstly, the premium knife is superior to the original one so....

Secondly the queue thing DOES matter if you are in AUS where there are MUCH less servers, and the majority of Close Quarters servers are Premium only, which means my choice of maps/game types/player count is much more limited than a premium player.

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[QUOTE="JC_Spot"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

New SP campaign? That's news to me. Can I get some information on this?

Last I checked, there are 4-5 map packs for multiplayer scheduled for CoD MW3, each with 3 multiplayer maps. That turns out to be the same as BF3's premium for the same price.

Also there aren't zombies in MW3. You really need to get your facts straight before making assumptions.

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Black Ops 2.... But I know you were being sarcastic. Either way, even similar value to COD is an absolute crime. Imagine the reception this would have gotten 5-10 years ago, now people just accept it.

10 years ago games were developed for about 1/100th of the cost they are now, modding was a necessary part of the game to get longevity out of the game, and game developers were fractions of the size they are now. Back then, games and maps were a tiny fraction of the complexity they are now. You could pump out new maps for Unreal or Counter Strike without much problem.

Developers learned that they cannot just keep working for free. They started releasing expansion packs, which were pretty much what DLC is today only less frequent, had a bit more content, and were more expensive. If you add up the BF3 premium, it's about the same amount of content as the 3 expansions for BF2 for $10 less.

It's all context and PC gamers are the worst at seeing this. They believe just becuase it used to be free means it should be today. With a map taking thousands of hours longer to make to the standards of the rest of the game, and mod tools costing millions of licensing fees to produce, it's just not viable to be putting out free content and mod tools all of the time.

Our own demand for higher quality graphics and games has put developers in a position they cannot support the industry like they used to be able to. Ever notice that all of the most moddable games today are always running on some pretty old engines and that indie game developers have even stopped giving out free content? There is a reason for this. Costs are to damn high to let your employees make more content for a game for free. You don't see any revenue from it and you waste your employees time they could be spent on making content for new games.

People "accept" it now because they feel that $15 for 3-5 well made multiplayer maps is still worth it, especially when they are playing a game for 200 hours. If people didn't feel that this content was worth their money, they wouldn't buy it. There are plenty of examples of DLC completely failing because it wasn't nearly worth the money.

In the case of BF3, I get more maps than launched with the game over the course of an entire year for $50. That's a damn good deal if you ask me. These aren't crappy maps that I have to play the alpha of for 6 months and redownload every time I go into a server, these are fully supported, well made maps by the developer.

In the case of Mount and Blade, I happily paid $10 (or was it $15) for that Napoleonic DLC. That was an indie game it was once a mod I could play for free, but it was loaded with good content and was a ton of fun.

I'm not playing PC games to uphold a status quo. I understand that developing games is damn expensive and as long as the content is worth the money, I'll pay for it. Everybody remembers all of the free crap we used to have back 10-15 years ago, but everybody forgets the hassle it was to get it all working and all of the hundreds of revisions it would take for something to be finished. It was annoying. People would spend more time messing with mods than they would playing. That's why expansion packs, even when the game was moddable, were able to sell no problem. Professionally made content is almost always worth the charge.

Your entire argument revolves around the assumption that DICE and EA absolutely NEED to charge $50 for this content to turn a profit. This is obviously absurd and not the case. You really believe that the cost of these maps is the same or similar as an AAA full release game expected to sell hundreds of thousands, if not millions of copies? What they should really do, is reward the people that bought their game by using their hundreds of millions of dollars of profits from the original game to give content. If they actually operated on the edge of cost and profit then I would have no issue with charging the necessary price for the content, but this is just greed. I mean Activision could probably charge $20 for COD and still make a crazy amount of money.
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[QUOTE="JC_Spot"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

New SP campaign? That's news to me. Can I get some information on this?

Last I checked, there are 4-5 map packs for multiplayer scheduled for CoD MW3, each with 3 multiplayer maps. That turns out to be the same as BF3's premium for the same price.

Also there aren't zombies in MW3. You really need to get your facts straight before making assumptions.

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Black Ops 2.... But I know you were being sarcastic. Either way, even similar value to COD is an absolute crime. Imagine the reception this would have gotten 5-10 years ago, now people just accept it.

Black Ops 2 is a completely new game, and COD also has the whole "Elite" thing going on. And the Premium thing is fine compared to what was going on 5-10 years ago. The expansions and boosters for Battlefield 2 came to $60 combined and had less content than what comes with Premium.

I just feel shafted that they are releasing bonus content for a game at the same price as the game when the bonus content in no way represents the same value as the game itself. The thing with Elite is that it's a bonus, DICE/EA are actively trying to force players to go platinum by giving them advantages, both in and out of game.
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[QUOTE="JC_Spot"][QUOTE="gooner187"]

OOPS!! I wanted to type MW3 But pressed E instead of W.As for the game suggestions go i dont know but i really dont feel attracted towards meat boy game.Will look into other games though.

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Mass Effect 3 would have been a better answer than MW3 :|

Had to settle with MW3 BCZ BF3 wont run on my computer :(

But BC2 will? I find that surprising.... And anyway, the egregious error was not so much in playing MW3, but calling it a hardcore game.
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New SP campaign? Nope.

Last I checked, there are 4-5 map packs for multiplayer scheduled for CoD MW3, each with 3 multiplayer maps. That turns out to be the same as BF3's premium for the same price.

Also there aren't zombies in MW3. You really need to get your facts straight before making assumptions.

According to this, there are no new weapons in any of the MW3 DLC and only 6 new multiplayer maps with some of them being quick remakes of MW2 maps. A lot of the maps are the spec-ops.

Being BF3 premium also gives you double EXP pretty much every weekend, access to premium exclusive servers, and a bunch of other crap. So they are pretty much identical except for the amount of content, of which BF3 is getting a lot more content for the money with 16 new maps since launch, a bunch of new vehicles, and 20 new weapons so far. They haven't even released the details of the last 2 DLCs either.

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So double XP for premium is a good thing? It's basically like, 'yeah if you don't pay, you suffer'. Soon they'll be giving weapon upgrades for cash. And yes, if I buy just the close quarters DLC I get excluded from numerous servers that for some reason are premium only.
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Will the console fanboys with gaming PC's please stand up? Oh right, there's none.
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New SP campaign? That's news to me. Can I get some information on this?

Last I checked, there are 4-5 map packs for multiplayer scheduled for CoD MW3, each with 3 multiplayer maps. That turns out to be the same as BF3's premium for the same price.

Also there aren't zombies in MW3. You really need to get your facts straight before making assumptions.

Wasdie
Black Ops 2.... But I know you were being sarcastic. Either way, even similar value to COD is an absolute crime. Imagine the reception this would have gotten 5-10 years ago, now people just accept it.
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OOPS!! I wanted to type MW3 But pressed E instead of W.As for the game suggestions go i dont know but i really dont feel attracted towards meat boy game.Will look into other games though.

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Mass Effect 3 would have been a better answer than MW3 :|
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#10 JC_Spot
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What do BF fans get this year? $50 for 16 maps, 30+ new weapons and some new vehicles.

What do COD fans get this year? $50 for a new SP campaign, new zombies mode and a new (albeit old) multiplayer with as many or more maps and weapons as added in premium. Not to mention they are doing all this double XP stuff for premium users only, as well as allowing servers to ban non premium players, even if you have the map packs.

You can't give DICE a free pass because it's not COD, BF is being milked worse than COD at this stage. Don't blame EA either, DICE accepted it as IW and Treyarch did.