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#1 JM_MUFC
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Well, I'm not sure what Vista prices look like these days, but whatever you get, get the 64 bit version. Anything over a 3GB. of RAM on a 32-bit OS is pretty much a waste, because a 32-bit OS can only utilize about 3.2GB. I would look into the price difference between Vista and 7. Vista is still quite a mess when it comes to OS, but if it's cheaper, it will get the job done. If you can work it into your budget somehow, I would still go with 7 however, because it will run much more stable. hitman6actual

Vista is only around £20 cheaper and im going to have to go on 7 some day so i figure it best to try get it now rather than have to upgrade later. I do have an XP pro disk at home which i may be able to use until i can get windows 7 but i guess thats just more work. I've re-arranged some parts and got a few more questions if you wouldnt mind taking the time to look over them.

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A setup including a OS as well as PnP to total around £500:

CPU - AMD Athlon II X4 620

GPU - XFX HD 4850 512MB

Motherboard - Asus AMD 760G AM3

Optical Drive - LG 22x DVD RW SATA

PSU - Antec Basiq Plus 550w Modular PSU

HDD - Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB

Case - Xigmatek Asgard Midi

RAM - Patriot Viper 2x 2GB 1333MHz RAM

OS - Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Your better going with a HD 4850 over a HD 5750 which is slower and costs another £20 more.


Too_tight_shoes

Ok after having a look over your components some are pretty sweet, i've done a pick and mix job and this is what i hav came up with (some parts are same as yours just cheaper on ebuyer):

CPU - AMD Athlon II X4 620

GPU - Asus HD 5670

Motherboard - Asus AMD 760G AM3

HDD - Samsung Spinpoint F3

Optical Drive - LG GH22NS50

PSU - 600w Value PSU (not overly sure about this)

OS - Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

The memory i was unsure of, your one did not say whether or not it is DDR2 or DDR3 but the one i had previously chosen seemed overly priced in comparison. The case i'm unsure of too as im unsure of which will be more beneficial, front/side ventilation. Also i want to get one as cheap as possible as nice looking case holds no interest in me.

Without the case and ram this totals up to £368.36, assuming the ram and case costs me £100 then it'll be £468.36 for the pc w/ OS.

So now its a case of:

  1. Are all the above parts compatible?
  2. Is this the best i can get for £470?
  3. What Memory unit do i go for?
  4. What makes a good case?

And then in terms of construction (these may sound a little retarded)

  1. Does each individual part come with like a set of instructions, telling you where to connect each wire and stuff?
  2. Is this going to be a difficult/complicated build?

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#3 JM_MUFC
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[QUOTE="Too_tight_shoes"]

Heres a setup for just under £500:

CPU - AMD Athlon II X4 620

GPU - Palit GeForce GTX 460 768MB

Motherboard - Asus AMD 760G AM3

Optical Drive - LG 22x DVD RW SATA

PSU - FSP 600W Modular PSU

HDD - Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB

Case - Xigmatek Asgard Midi

RAM - Patriot Viper 2x 2GB 1333MHz RAM

£493 including VAT

It should eat through every game at that resolution and should very well for up coming titles.

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Sadly, still no OS. The rig he has picked out won't do bad, and he can upgrade it in the future, and stay below his budget, even with the operating system.

Too_Tight_Shoes, does the site 'overclockers uk' have postage charges or not? If it does then i may aswell get it off ebuyer as they do free next day delivery but if overclockers is free p&p then i'll go with them as it'll work out cheaper. Also i may mix and matxh with some of your parts as they are equal in specs but are a lot better value. hitman6actual, the OS is definately the biggest problem. I was almost shocked when looking at the windows 7 premium 64-bit. Now i was reading somewhere that using the 32-bit can sometimes restrict your RAM if you have over a certain amount but putting on a 64-bit when you don't have enough can then restrict the amount of Ram you have at your disposal. So at 4gb of ram which would be more beneficial 32-bit or 64-bit?
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Also thought i'd add that i will be using a monitor with 1366x768 resolution.
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Okay so yesterday i posted up saying i want to build a moderate gaming pc. The budget objective was £500. I messaged a user on youtube who had been giving people recommendations on a video and he gave me some ideas for certain parts. I have filled in the blanks and would like you to offer me any advice, alternatives and recommendations for the components. Also i am not sure if all is compatible so some confirmation on that would be nice too.

Processor (does this have fan included?)

Graphics Card - unsure of which either this or this

Motherboard

Memory

Hard Drive

Case

I still need a PSU and DVD ROM/writer drive so any recommendations you can make are great.

This came between £365.57 and £385.29 depending on which GPU i went for.

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#6 JM_MUFC
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33 games - 9679gs

I should have quite a few more but my fallout 3 completely f***** up so i lost all my acheivements and had a corrupt saved file meaning i had to start over... but i got bored after like 3 missions :P

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well you won't be able to buy an 8800GTS or a 4800+ as they're both obsolete and are no longer made, the issue is you're going to be buying a two to three year old PC brand new and struggle to play the more demanding games that are just coming out. either way, i buy the majority of my bits from scan.co.uk so look there. their today only page might also save you some money with their daily deals (updated at roughly 1pm every weekday) http://www.scan.co.uk/TodayOnly/Index.aspx if you're in no rush, might want to check it out on friday evening, saturday since they tend to have everything you would need to self-build on offer over the weekend, whereas during the week the deals tend to be pretty random. metacritical
Ok thanks, im hoping someone may give me a list of a recent homebuild they have made that falls in my budget. Hopefully they can tell me if it'll handle games or not. Or someone may be kind enough to find a list of components that they know will be compatible when i build the pc... as it is more than likely with my current pc knowledge i will cock it up. Thanks to all who have posted so far. Its been a great help and i feel i am a little more knowledgable already!
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[QUOTE="metacritical"]you're not going to get a decent gaming PC that will run GTA4 on that budget, especially if you need a monitor and an OS. ignore the thermal paste, if you buy a retail CPU (rather than OEM) the heatsink/fan that comes with it will have thermal paste already applied. the case should come with screws, you'll need some for the hard drive and the CD-writer, but like i said there should be some in the case. graphics cards will not need screws as those will definitely be with the case.JM_MUFC

Well i saw a monitor, it was acer 16" lcd wide screen for £69.99. But as i said that is seperate so it was going to be the £450-£500 minus the o/s which i may be able to get off of a friend or just use the old xp one until i can save up the extra £100 for windows 7 or £70 for windows vista. To be honest the o/s doesnt bother me too much at the moment. I have a friend with a gaming pc, i have his specs somewhere and you could give me a quote on that or i can research it myself as i have played gta 4, fallout 3, and left 4 dead 2 numerous occasions on his pc.

Well his specs are: 8800GTS 512mb 4GB Corsair RAM AMD AthlonX2 4800+ Foxconn Motherboard Its not very helpful i know but how much does that drum up to start off with as a base?
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you're not going to get a decent gaming PC that will run GTA4 on that budget, especially if you need a monitor and an OS. ignore the thermal paste, if you buy a retail CPU (rather than OEM) the heatsink/fan that comes with it will have thermal paste already applied. the case should come with screws, you'll need some for the hard drive and the CD-writer, but like i said there should be some in the case. graphics cards will not need screws as those will definitely be with the case.metacritical

Well i saw a monitor, it was acer 16" lcd wide screen for £69.99. But as i said that is seperate so it was going to be the £450-£500 minus the o/s which i may be able to get off of a friend or just use the old xp one until i can save up the extra £100 for windows 7 or £70 for windows vista. To be honest the o/s doesnt bother me too much at the moment. I have a friend with a gaming pc, i have his specs somewhere and you could give me a quote on that or i can research it myself as i have played gta 4, fallout 3, and left 4 dead 2 numerous occasions on his pc.

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[QUOTE="JM_MUFC"][QUOTE="Xeros606"] He already did - £450-£500. I would help him, but I don't know what the best websites are for people in the UK.

Xeros606

Thats a max budget by the way, other than the games listed in my original post i will just be using it for Word Processing, Powerpoints, Internet and maybe some adobe flash if i can still find the time. Preferably if it were to be a £450-£500 pc i would want the operating system with it, i remembered that i do have an old windows xp pro disk and maybe one of my friends may have a windows 7 disk that is more than usable once. Some monitor advice would be good too... i have no idea where i can get one cheap except maybe eBay but its more than likely that the p&p will be extaustionate. Another thing.... i saw a vid of a guy putting together his pc and it said that i'll need to buy my own screws to put it together, it there a standard size screw or will i just have to wait until i get the parts to find out? And again thanks!

99% of the time PC parts (even OEM parts) come with screws. The only time it won't come is when people at the factory/warehouse mess up, and even then, it won't be too difficult to take whatever part you need screws for to your nearest hardware store to buy some.

Awesome thanks, just that on a video it was basically telling you all the components needed and the tools (if any) that were needed. There was also the mention of thermal heat paste which you need to cover the CPU in once its in position, so is this just a preference for individual builders or a recommendation considering you'll have some fan thing covering it. (also is that bought seperately).