Up until now I've thought myself hopeless to get XBL because I cannot get cable or DSL where I live. I heard a someonesay he uses a mobile internet card to play on XBL and that it does pretty well. Only thing is, I know very little about these cards. Because I'm aiming to use one of these cards for gaming, I can't really get a straight answer about the price. Is there a certain amount of data that can be downloaded/uploaded per month? Can you get an unlimited plan so that you can play all you want? Any help would be much appreciated.

[QUOTE="Insane00"]

Or maybe it's more like our free will. We have the power to do many things, and in many cases those things could be considered wrong, or at least something we have no desire to do. Thus we choose not to. It would probably be the same here, God has the ability to make us automotons, but he refuses to for whatever reason(s) he sees fit.

Decessus

Yes, but it is still fact that if God refuses to interfere with man's free will that he must have the desire in the first place. Otherwise there would be nothing to refuse.

I wish I could interfere with people's free will sometimes.

[QUOTE="Jenuma"][QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="AquaMantor"]

Of course He could. There's no limitation on what He could do.

Insane00

Of course there are limits. God cannot make a square circle.

To the point though, can it really be called free will if at any point in time God can override that will and do whatever he or she wants?

Assuming God made this world and it's logical laws, why is it so hard to also assume he could make another reality in which he could indeed logically make a square-shaped circle?

Just because God can do it doesn't mean he will:

How is that possible. Their definitions are mutually exclusive. A square is a four sided object in which each side is of equal length, at a 90 degree angle from each neighboring side, and each corner is equadistant from a center point. Meanwhile a circle is a single line in which every possible point is an equal distance from a center point.

It is impossible to even imagine a shape with four sides, four corners, in which every point on shat shape is equadistant from a center point. This is one of those realities we call a priori, that is without having to find an example or prove it's truth. Kant goes into these a great deal, and God is it boring.

Why do you imply that these laws were in effect before the world was created? Do you think God is short-powered of redefining our logics and laws?

My fist is in my mouth... now what?Samwel_X

While you're on a roll, try to get the other one in there. :lol:

So does God not mess with a person's free will because he can't or because he chooses not to?Decessus

Because he chooses not to.

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="AquaMantor"]

Of course He could. There's no limitation on what He could do.

Insane00

Of course there are limits. God cannot make a square circle.

To the point though, can it really be called free will if at any point in time God can override that will and do whatever he or she wants?

Ooo, good one. I must say I'm impressed with some of the points that are coming out of this thread.

I believe I replied to his statements on the previous page.

[QUOTE="AquaMantor"]

Of course He could. There's no limitation on what He could do.

Decessus

Of course there are limits. God cannot make a square circle.

To the point though, can it really be called free will if at any point in time God can override that will and do whatever he or she wants?

Assuming God made this world and it's logical laws, why is it so hard to also assume he could make another reality in which he could indeed logically make a square-shaped circle?

Just because God can do it doesn't mean he will:

When god created Adam and Eve, He chose to never screw with their free will. He wanted them to follow him of their own choice.AquaMantor

[QUOTE="Jenuma"]

[QUOTE="-Makaveli-"][QUOTE="Jenuma"]Makaveli, Satan tested Job and God endorsed the act to break Satan's assumption about His followers. That doesn't necessarily make Satan and God "one".-Makaveli-

If you take it out of context like that, of course it sounds foolish. Satan is our biggest threat, so Job, a man of God, "took one for the team". And if you'll remember, Job ended up tenfold better off at the end for holding out.

Uh, more or less, yes. God's intention was to break down Satan.

[QUOTE="cool_baller"]God gave people free will, so they can choose to be evil and he doesn't interfere with teh free willDecessus

If that is the case, then it cannot be said that God is all-powerful since the choices that an individual human makes would be out of the control of God. It also couldn't be the case the God was all-knowing since in order to have free will, God would have to be blind to the choice that the individual was going to make before he makes it.

Just because God didn't do it doesn't mean he can't. Seriously, think about that.

[QUOTE="Jenuma"]Makaveli, Satan tested Job and God endorsed the act to break Satan's assumption about His followers. That doesn't necessarily make Satan and God "one".-Makaveli-

If you take it out of context like that, of course it sounds foolish. Satan is our biggest threat, so Job, a man of God, "took one for the team". And if you'll remember, Job ended up tenfold better off at the end for holding out.