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#1 Jocubus
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I see what you mean...but it still requires a lot of coordination among people. There has to be a "certain forum" that is behind the promotion of this person.... Some of the comments on her videos are really brutal (though some are pretty funny as well)
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#2 Jocubus
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I'm interested in the story behind the fascination and promotion of this girl's videos on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thXMcwEAmLA&feature=popt00us03

Is a certain forum responsible for this or what? The number of views is outrageous! And I've seen her videos in the "Top Videos" or "Most Popular" on a number of occassions....

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#3 Jocubus
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Well, a couple of things: First- the message of the poem is good as long as you are a daughter writing to her father (instead of a son writing to his father). Second- this is probably an issue of personal taste, but frankly I think free verse "poetry" takes very little skill. The choice of where to end one line and begin another seems arbitrary. The part about the thread seems out of place- about a quarter of the poem that is supposed to center around your love for your father is a simile comparing yourself to a thread....
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[QUOTE="Goods_Merchant"][QUOTE="Jocubus"]I would say Jango or Boba Fett but I felt like they were hyped up to be such Bamfs yet they died in pretty pathetic ways. I guess I would go with Darth Maul. That fight scene was pretty awesome.

Boba Fett didn't die there in that pathetic way, it turns out that he survived it

Are you referring to that Robot Chicken clip? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f10ysFRY3UA
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I would say Jango or Boba Fett but I felt like they were hyped up to be such Bamfs yet they died in pretty pathetic ways. I guess I would go with Darth Maul. That fight scene was pretty awesome.
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#6 Jocubus
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Not a mac....unless you love throwing money away for the "brand name."
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#7 Jocubus
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[QUOTE="Jocubus"]

Sleep deprivation makes you do some crazy stuff.

[QUOTE="Jocubus"]And please point out where I said "ALL complaints of police brutality are therefore false since they are convenient for defendants after they've confessed."danwallacefan

That's the inevitable conclusion of your argument.

That was a nice exaggeration. All I said was an incentive existed to make such an accusation. Not to mention she was also accusing innocent people.Jocubus
Sure there's an incentive, but if that's a reason to deny her testimony then we should deny all accusations of police brutality.

You sir, have terrible logic. She claims she was physically beaten yet there was no evidence (i.e. bruises, wounds, scratches, etc.). On those grounds I think it is possible to dismiss her claims. Secondly, I don't know anyone who would be willing to confess to a murder they didn't commit because they had to stay up for 30 hours y. I've willingly stayed up longer than that working on demanding school work.
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#8 Jocubus
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[QUOTE="Jocubus"]

I guess ALL complaints of police brutality are therefore false since they are convenient for defendants after they've confessed :roll:

[QUOTE="Jocubus"]As far as I know, the police only questioned her without the presence of an attorneydanwallacefan

Which would never fly in America.

and made her stay awake for an extended period during interrogation.Jocubus
Which, as you should know, is well-documented as a very useful tactic in exacting a false confession and extracting information from a detainee.

I don't know about you, but I would never confess to a crime I didn't commit (ESPECIALLY MURDER) because I was tired... And please point out where I said "ALL complaints of police brutality are therefore false since they are convenient for defendants after they've confessed." That was a nice exaggeration. All I said was an incentive existed to make such an accusation. Not to mention she was also accusing innocent people.
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#9 Jocubus
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[QUOTE="Jocubus"][QUOTE="JohnBean42"]

Well, the life sentence in Italy is 30 years. So 4 years isn't that much longer.

.........

This case had so many flaws. The reason people say she is innocent isn't so much that she's American, it's because the prosecutionhad virtually no evidence. No DNA other than a knife that was aurgued wasn't the weapon because the injuries didn't match it, no fingerprints, nothing. Just the fact she changed her story when she was 19 years old and being beaten by a cop and the fact that the other man,Rudy Guede, said all three of them did it doesn't mean SHE did it.

Prosecution also said that at first it was just a drunk party gone wrong, then a story that she just didn't like her roommate, then that was just out of jealousy. No one, on either side, could get their story straight.

It's sad it happened it Italy, because if your accused of something..your most likely going to be found guilty, so you really have to fight to prove you're innocent. There legal system can be really messed up.

danwallacefan

I'll admit some of the evidence is shaky. I happened to watch a Dateline special on the case a few months ago detailing some of the holes. That being said there is a LOT of suspicious behavior. Secondly- the only time I could ever see myself admitting to something I didn't do is under extreme torture. She was questioned by police under a marginally uncomfortable situation (which is legal) and essentially confessed to MURDER. If she really didn't do it she is a fool but it seems like she was engaged in some illegal activity anyway....

can you be more specific when you say "marginally uncomfortable position"?

and again, suspicion=/=guilt. You need hard, empirical evidence of guilt to justify such a deprivation of liberty.

Well Amanda Knox claims that police physically beat her- but of course that is a convenient thing for people who confess to murder to say to get a confession thrown out. As far as I know, the police only questioned her without the presence of an attorney and made her stay awake for an extended period during interrogation.
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#10 Jocubus
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Well the problem is that she also constantly changed her story- as did her boyfriend, she tried to throw an innocent man under the bus (Patrick Lumumba), and (as you mentioned) she was doing cartwheels in the police station and found to be smiling and kissing her boyfriend right outside the crime scene shortly after it happened. That doesn't really convince me of her innocence. There may be a lack of physical evidence but there is certainly some doubt over her innocence. I agree with what has been previously said- the American media is portraying the Italian justice system as completely inept and Ms.Knox as being falsely accused just because an American student is involved.