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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] I'll bite, what is it exactly that Republicans are going to do that will make life fantastic?Aljosa23

I'd like to know that myself.

If Romney just extended the Bush tax cuts for a few years instead of extended them for a year at a time then it would make life much better for a lot of business owners not having to deal with the huge uncertainty. They could actually make business plans longer than a year without worrying about taxes going up.

I like how together the democrat's one and a half term president beats Nixon, Ford, H. W. Bush, and W. Bush combined.

Serraph105

Where did you get "one and a half" from when he hasn't even completed one term? Also, I don't get how you can "beat out" other presidents, care to explain?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] His post was also inaccurate. I might not say the most rational things, but I don't say anything against Atheists, let alone make them all out to be insane creatures.ShadowsDemon

Innaccurate? Are you going to try to deny that christians burned people at the stake? That would be a bold claim indeed.

Why don't you believe in the Trinity? I'm just wondering since it is a huge part of Chirstian belief.

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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

It is a pretty common scam, but isn't anyone who uses religion to scare the poor out of money anything but a serious Christian? (Especially since the religion preaches preferential treatment for the poor)

Furthermore, it isn't correct to assume that all religious people are swindlers because a particular "religious" person is a scam artist.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]I wouldn't really call it disrespect. For hundreds of years, the church has been accepting money, because they've created the idea that giving money to the church will somehow make you a better person, or that they can "absolve your sins". If someone was trying to scam your family or friends out of money, and you were there, fully aware of said scam. Would you not speak out? It just seems like the morally correct path in my eyes.Nibroc420

If someone is doing something that is morally ambiguous or just plain wrong, it is the responsibly of any serious moral person (religious or otherwise) to explain to them, and anyone else involved, of its malice.

To be fair, there are probably the same percentage of teachers, coaches, and whatever else that are child molesters, and as seen in the recent Penn State scandals the Catholic Church is not the only one that covers it up.

Also, I've never been to a Church where they collect indulgences. When you give money during mass, you know that money is going to the Church so they can maintain the building, pay utilities, etc.

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[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

its not murder within war,its duty,its murder if it happens within society.

sexyweapons

I to consider 911 murder,murder is the unlawful killing of people,to us the killing of insurgents in Afghanistanisn't murder as it isn't unlawful by us.What I meant was by murder is murder is that although that man is mentally handicapped he still unlawfully killed somebody.

I don't think insurgents view us killing them as unlawful since they are armed combatants trying to kill our soldiers and vice versa.

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

No need, so it would appear that gun restrictions and bans are effective afterall?

Strange how many of the pro gun crowd preach that gun control wouldn't work. Seemed to work fine in the examples above, and you can go on and on you say?

Somewhat of a paradox is it not?

tenaka2

Yes, they do work when they its all done very quickly, but if a group of people really want guns they can get guns. See the Spanish Civil War. I'm sure the Armenians would have acquired guns and revolted if they were given more time to get guns back.

Besides, if you are referring to the USA it wouldn't work because we have a lot of black market guns and people who sell guns out of the back of their pickup in the bad parts of towns. It would be extremely hard to disarm them too, and then people who want guns will just buy from them.

So you don't see any correlation between the easy availability of gun and guns ending up on the black market?

There isn't any. I wasn't try to make that correlation. Here, just disregard what I said before. If gun control where you take all guns away is implemented, it will not have the desired affect in the USA because many criminals would still have guns and be getting guns from illegal sources.

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"] Unlawful is subjective. Think outside the box...Like I said. What is unlawful to you isn't the same to a man in Iraq. Understand boy?

Jamiemydearx3

We are talking about the killing of another within the society not the justice system in the country. No matter how you put your argument, killing in a war is not murder and you are not prosecuted for it. It has been this way for THOUSANDS of years.

[QUOTE="JustMe64"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Right, so no examples at all then? You would think that if there are so many examples of this then it you be easy for you to show some examples.

tenaka2

I'll answer for him.

The Ottomans murdered 1.5 million Armenians from 1915-1917 after they were disarmed by gun laws in 1911.

The Soviet Union murdered 30 million from 1929-1953 after disarming the public in 1929.

Nazi Germany murdered 13 million from 1938-1945 after implementing very strict gun laws in 1938.

I can go on and on.

No need, so it would appear that gun restrictions and bans are effective afterall?

Strange how many of the pro gun crowd preach that gun control wouldn't work. Seemed to work fine in the examples above, and you can go on and on you say?

Somewhat of a paradox is it not?

Yes, they do work when they its all done very quickly, but if a group of people really want guns they can get guns. See the Spanish Civil War. I'm sure the Armenians would have acquired guns and revolted if they were given more time to get guns back.

Besides, if you are referring to the USA it wouldn't work because we have a lot of black market guns and people who sell guns out of the back of their pickup in the bad parts of towns. It would be extremely hard to disarm them too, and then people who want guns will just buy from them.

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[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

You said murder is murder...Do soilders not murder people? Do they deserve to be put to death as well? I'm not following your logic of "Murder is murder"

Jamiemydearx3

Murder= unlawful killing.

When you "murder" in a war you are killing other armed combatants and it has been considered ok for thousands of years!

You said murder is murder...Do soilders not murder people? Do they deserve to be put to death as well? I'm not following your logic of "Murder is murder"

Jamiemydearx3

No, don't start with this kind of BS. Killing people in war is not a crime unless you commit some extreme torture on them to kill them. Killing people in war is just killing, there is no law against it therefore it is not murder.