@Warhawk-geeby, better than people running around the corner spraying a wall of bullets with Akimbo. @yamahaowns, BLOPS ran like crap, that alone disqualifies it from being better than this.

The system is obsolete, needs a complete overhaul, not just patch-work like it has been getting... That's half the reason why such a ridiculous crap like PIPA and SOPA are even on the ballet now... Its also how the supreme court ludicrously ruled 2 years ago that corporations are people, and money is speech. (which is in the process of being up for amendment) The Chaos will constantly get worse, because we are too focused on treating the symptoms, and refusing to acknowledge the real problem. @USDevilDog, you are right, but our (so-called) freedoms and liberties have been shaved away long before the Patriot Act my friend. (the Patriot Act is just another in a long list) @Bluefox755^^ Sorry I miss-read your comment, but your right. (much like path we have been heading in this Corporatocracy) @kkxtrouble, lol The States (what I call the country, its a more accurate name) is already the most hypocritical country... This just adds to it for even being on the ballet. @QOSMSTR, you do realize that there are more musicians now than ever, and a increasing portion that do not even need ridiculous record labels, and publishers. (much like the rise of the indie devs in gaming) Thanks to the internet! This is a large reason why the music industry is backing this BS legislation, not just because of the piracy, though that is the convenient excuse.

rocket lol you seem to be blind obviously. lol look at all the jaggies in the console versions of all teh games lol.

@enciem umm microsoft has already confirmed dx10.1 is scraped, they are working to bring dx11 out sometime in 2009.

and this goes for everyone else in here too, if you want to add me. if you have msn messagner or aol messagner my name on aol is Drayvin0121 if you want to add me to do some future gaming together on msn it is Lachdanan0121@yahoo.com... i dont discriminate, male, female, whatever color, whatever race, and whatever country... we all share something in common... we love to play videogames. so good gaming everyone. hope to see you all on the battlefield.. as a teammate, or an enemy we will all have fun. and thats what it is really all about.

@soulreaver, yeah i do apologize for calling you a fanboy... i was out of line... just been kinda a hard week for me personal reasons. that i doubt anyone in here would like to know.. so i am sorry. though if developers start to work with vector, nvidia has the resources and financial stability now to create a new card to do so... though, the devs would want to let nvidia know way way in the future if they do.. otherwise, they are killing half if not over half of the market and that would make them loose sales, and get bad reviews on the games... i like ati, i like nvidia, though like i said for now nvidia is a better bet for the reasons even you have stated. but i stick with amd for processors, much faster front side bus. but not quite the L2-3 cache.. but amd processors are much much cheaper. and yes it is very tense lol... i feel you,,, so no hard feelings friend? yeah my current cards are 2x 8800gt (factory overclocked) ocx, in 16x 16x sli, not your typical 8x 8x.... and in about 4-8 months i will prolly have to upgrade to 2x gtx 280 (factory overclocked) they will be much cheaper by then... reason being i go with nvidia mainly is my mother board is a nforce 780a chipset the m3n-ht mem pipe from Asus. i love this motherboard... and if you have msn messagner or aol messagner my name on aol is Drayvin0121 if you want to add me to do some future gaming together on msn it is Lachdanan0121@yahoo.com ... no i feel you and honestly you know more about the technical end of it than i do, i give you props on that... just i have seen the gaming industry change since the atari lol been gaming for 22+years... im glad to see pc is still gowing strong, if not stronger than ever.. especially since the consoles have really stepped up their game... lol literally. no man but again i was out of line for the comments. cause honestly man us gamers need to stick together... cause this industry is turning into a cut throat industry just like the music business... yeah im a musician too.. lol

@terrorraid i totally agree.. my 360 has ati, my older pc for music recording and composition uses ati, my ps3 uses nvidia, and my gaming pc uses dual 8800gt ocx in sli, .... as long as you can game, and game well using these cards, then more power to you... enough with the fanboy nonsense.

@hydrith lol yeah true, that lying a** robot, come we werent really meaning to kill you, come and have some cake lol... thanks lol i needed a laugh

lol @ soulreaver no that is not what im saying lol not at all... lol i give up.. your sooooooo right... everyone in here is so right... have your piece of cake, eat it, lol enjoy it... im tired of what im saying getting twisted around... lol tisk tisk tisk,, as a gamer soulreaver, i still respect and support you.. but this sh*t is becoming ignorant... either way, both are good cards, i said it a thousand times before, you can dog either one you want still does not make any less of a monster... oh why do i bother... so many "know it alls" either way... peace. and if i see you in one of these games... good hunting.

there are too many fanboys posting opinions rather than facts in here, on both ati and nvidia side... its pathetic... both are becoming great competition for one another which will force both companies to lower prices and make better cards..... just f***ing enjoy the cards you like and enjoy gaming.. if you prefer ati and your a gamer, hey i got your back, i support you... if you prefer nvidia and your a gamer, hey i got your back and i support you.... fanboys may be helping these companies grow, but fanboys are destroying the gaming community, whether it be fanboys of platforms, games, cpu's or gpu's.... they are both good cards and you wont go wrong getting either of them... just grow up people.