gameplay and control are very much tied together in a very significant way; the kind of gameplay a developer can achieve, and a gamer can access, has everything to do with the method of control.

So seperating them as different categories just doesnt make sense.

[QUOTE="MaTT2011"]

Certain games CAN be done on DS but those games, like trauma center, are simply BETTER by virtue of being on the Wii. Trauma center and big brain academy are very much better than their DS counterparts.

Sure some graphical flash might help a little with engaging gamers but thats only in comparison to the "flash" that other systems provide. They dont make or break a game...it simply makes it more pleasent to look at when you actually are NOT playing...but when you are playing you are concerned most with PLAYING...not stopping to admire hi-res textures or how shiney some faceless NPC's boots are.

The wii is in the most viable position to provide an INCREDIBLE range of gameplay possibilities for designers to employ and for gamers to enjoy. It has enough graphical capability to replicate anything its competitors could produce....merely with less effects, less polygons and other things that really have very little to do with the quality of the gameplay possibilities. But its competitors, unlike the wii, cant do ANYTHING the wii can do and if they can, think psHOME bowling, its executed poorly and with a complete lack of ease that the wii brings to the table.

Teufelhuhn

How about you respond to the post instead of being a complete coward by doing nothing but throwing around insults?

Is it THAT hard for you to engage in a discussion? If it is then next time you see a post you dont agree with instead of responding how about you just leave when you dont have anything of substance to say? I would recommend actually responding to the content of the post.....this is a discussion board after all...so ... discuss.

[QUOTE="MaTT2011"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

He asked how powerful it was, I answered. Features like those are a different discussion.
Teufelhuhn

Features like those have EVERYTHING to do with whether or not a system is next-gen and since that is the topic of discussion it is VERY relevant to this discussion.

You cant simply pick certain parts of a product to codemn the console as a whole....it just doesnt make any sense.

If gaming became "GRaphics Whoring" then you might have a point; but since gaming has more to it than simply graphics it stands to reason that those features are entirely relevant to the discussion.

Why are you attacking me? He asked a simple question about the hardware and the hardware only.

Perhaps you could take it down a notch here, and lighten up? No need to jump into defensive mode every time the subject of the Wii's hardware comes up.

Nothing defensive or aggressive about it; Im simply pointing out that when considering the worth, or next-gen-ness, of a system we cant isolate certain features and then attack them only to use those attacks to label the whole as either "lacking" or not "enough" to be qualified as next gen.

Im pointing out that in a discussion like this we need to realize that doing such things gets us nowhere and only encourages pointless conversations and illogical fanboy rambling because those same fanboys will use such discussions as further validation, even though its not, for their preconcieved notions for other systems.

"True, but... the Wii really doesn't have any game that really takes advantage of the wiimote to the point where you can't imagine that game being on anything else. More specifically, none of the available Wii line-up are games that I can't imagine can be done on the DS... oddly enough, a good portion of it's games originated on the DS (Trauma Center, Big Brain Academy, etc.). It doesn't help that there aren't a lot of good games regardless of whether they use the Wiimote or not... flash could help the Wii quite a bit right now since the substance is lacking, but it doesn't even have that. The Wii isn't in an enviable position game-wise."

-arachetfan

Sure it does; Wii sports. Theres one. Want another? WarioWare smooth moves. Theres another. Want more? How about Rayman Raving Rabbids? Trauma Center (on any other console)? Or even what about the Definitive edition of one of the highest rated games EVER; Resident Evil 4? That game alone proves that once you go wii theres no going back to the past versions of the game. This illustrates the incredible ability the system has to make games BETTER through better, more engaging, control schemes.

Certain games CAN be done on DS but those games, like trauma center, are simply BETTER by virtue of being on the Wii. Trauma center and big brain academy are very much better than their DS counterparts.

Sure some graphical flash might help a little with engaging gamers but thats only in comparison to the "flash" that other systems provide. They dont make or break a game...it simply makes it more pleasent to look at when you actually are NOT playing...but when you are playing you are concerned most with PLAYING...not stopping to admire hi-res textures or how shiney some faceless NPC's boots are.

The wii is in the most viable position to provide an INCREDIBLE range of gameplay possibilities for designers to employ and for gamers to enjoy. It has enough graphical capability to replicate anything its competitors could produce....merely with less effects, less polygons and other things that really have very little to do with the quality of the gameplay possibilities. But its competitors, unlike the wii, cant do ANYTHING the wii can do and if they can, think psHOME bowling, its executed poorly and with a complete lack of ease that the wii brings to the table.

[QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Hater3000"]

I might have to wait to get a wii with (Please dont can it)Proyect Hammer or Resident Evil Chronicles before arguing but those are awful screen-shots.

Anyway how powerfull is the wii?,I have heard is more powerful than 2 gamecubes and with better graphics than the xbox but didn't the GC had the better graphics in the last gen?.

Teufelhuhn

And there's the motion sensing, online play, photo voting and internet channels, and VC.

Features like those have EVERYTHING to do with whether or not a system is next-gen and since that is the topic of discussion it is VERY relevant to this discussion.

You cant simply pick certain parts of a product to codemn the console as a whole....it just doesnt make any sense.

If gaming became "GRaphics Whoring" then you might have a point; but since gaming has more to it than simply graphics it stands to reason that those features are entirely relevant to the discussion.

worse nintendo system ever. maybe better than GC.springz300

that makes absolutely no sense whatsover....did you even READ what you wrote before posting it? Better yet did you THINK before posting?

Saying something is the worst of a lineup of products and then saying it may be better than one of those products in that lineup is just....dumb. Your essentially saying, "This system is the worst! Actually no its not" and absolutely no information is delivered in that line....just nonsense.

Excuse me, topic poster, but here in reality we have this thing called "logic" that comes in very handy when it comes to NOT making a complete arse of yourself.

Here, i'll show you how to use it:

What determines whether or not a system is "next gen" or not has VERY LITTLE to do with its graphical capabilities. If that were the case then the only next gen system out would be the one that currently has the most graphical capabilities.

What DOES determine whether or not a gaming system is next gen or not has entirely to do with whether or not it provides a means, to developers, to the end of new gameplay design and dynamics. The wii does this by creating a revolutionary motion based control system that also has many traditional qualities to it such as buttons, triggers and analog sticks/d-pads. Because the wii offers such a comprehensive method of control it provides the widest range of gameplay possibilities for developers to create and for players to experience. The other systems simply provide more graphical capabilities; which at this point in the evolution of gaming is adding very little to the overall range of gameplay possibilities that the system can provide. In fact the majority of games on the so called next gen systems of x360 and ps3 seem to be last gen games with much better graphics; but the gameplay remains relatively the same as many of the games provided in the last generation of gaming.

So the Wii IS a "next gen" system by this definition and many, many, others. The only reason you havent reached this conclusion is because of your lack of logic or an extreme flaw in logic. You have no argument, you have no evidence and judging by your initial post you have NO credibility such that you yourself could determine and then dictate to others the "next gen" status of gaming systems currently available.

Now that you have been owned i expect a civil apology ... or you could just leave, read some books, study logic and argumentation and THEN come back and make some threads.

Until then; ZIP IT.

lol, ps3 commercials.

They dont even advertise the product effectively.....im a gamer and I couldnt even tell what the he ll was going on in those backwards commercials.

At least nintendo shows gameplay footage AND people actually playing the games....and thus showing how they connect in a compelling manner. Sony doesnt do any of that. They show you a shiny box and say, "oooooh! its soooo cool! buy one!"

You've already made up your mind, which leads us to believe that this thread is a pathetic and immature attempt to steal some thunder from a successful system, which enhances even last gen games incredibly because of its innovative, and revolutionary, control scheme, in order to justify your $600 purchase which you feel (by evidence of this threads existence) is threatened by the wii which is vastly more successful and innovative GAMING machine.

Seems to me like this threads creator is a little insecure. But perhaps you can be made an example of so as to discourage any other similar trolls who may think its "clever" to do something similar.

We can only hope...

[QUOTE="WeAreToast"][QUOTE="ganon42"]

Actually, yes you guys do get the dumped down version when you compare it to re5. So your telling me developers didnt want to attract casuals with this game? Whats the whole point of the wii if its not attracting casuals? Let me ask you a question, would you rather have an re4 type game or an on-rails shooter style?

ganon42

Do all Wii games have to?

Then whats the whole purpose of the wii-mote?

any self respecting gamer knows that the wii-mote was created to provide a larger range of gameplay possibilities than the standard controller.....it has very little to do with bringing in casuals; in fact thats just a side effect that nintendo has been using to sell more games/systems because along with providing mroe gameplay possiblities, for developers to create more evolved and entertaining games with, it provides a method of control which is much more intuitive to HUMANS. Most humans dont engage in any other activity, aside from gaming, which involves them rubbing nubs and pushing buttons and instead have much more experience using motion, you know....activity, and as a result the human experience with teh wii is much more natural....hence why more "casuals" can get into gaming.

Two birds, one stone.....but the bottom line is that the wii is an evolved method of gaming control that inherently provides FARRRR more gameplay possibilities, so as to design new and innovative games, than the standard, now caveman-ish in appearence, method of control of having a complex appearing controller in your lap while your thumbs do all the work.

Evolution is a hell of a thing....and it applies to more than just animals.