I never cared for Forza, but PGR...that was the game...I LOVED that game.....more so than GT.....

But Forza, from what I played *The 1st one* the game was bland......PGR had fun...but not features and customization like GT.....GT had customization, features, cool and all....but it just didn't bring the fun like PGR did.....

Forza....I remember playing a bland track...GT had those tracks with views and everything...with Forza it was this track like a racing strip...circle...dirt road....dirt if you turned into you spun out of control...that's it....it never appealed to me...I gave it a chance too....but after that one race I turned it off and never played it again....

So from an open minded view...I can't judge Forza....same as Forza lovers can't judge GT5...new game....new potential...no limitations.....I'll take peoples word for it...lets say Forza was better than GT....but GT5 will crush and stomp this game...I have no doubt in my mind....polyphony will do it right this time....amazing A.I......online mode....car damage *They confirmed weeks ago*...physics....etc...it will really push the PS3 to the limit I hope...give me my moneys worth.....

But competition is great...I would love to see a Forza 3 come out afterwards and see what they can bring to the plate....

I remember when the Xbox first came out people were complaining 'Give it some time, it's a new system'.......ps2 had waaaaay better games, more fun, may not have been as powerful, but eventually the tides turned as the xbox consoles life grew.....

And it's amazing the same community who's defense was used those many years ago cannot be used LOGICALLY in favor of an opposing console....good job hypocrits....

So, when your console is late in release give it some time?How about for Sony?Oh wait, I forgot, xbox 360 fanboys in SW's are **** hypocrits.....

You SW lemmings make me feel ashamed I'm on the same side as you guys, you all give xbox fans a bad name.....

But I get his argument perfectly, he's basically saying that don't compare the consoles like they came out the same time, when infact they didn't, if you do, even if your on Sony's side, you're just a narrow minded half assed fanboy, I know I will save my judging for the end of 08', when Sony's titles release, and 360's titles release fully...

What could one possibly flame me for?I've brought nothing but logic into this thread....but yet I know some 360 fanboy will flame me.....someone with a GT in their sig or Halo3 will flame me...I garauntee this.....not cows though, because I agree with their logic this time having been witnessing these Sony vs Microsoft threads since the beginning...

lol wow.....I got suspended for saying 'GT is a better game overall'...simplistically.....hmmm...I guess I never saw the end of the TOS 'Having an opinion is not permitted'....

lol...lemmingspot.com

But yes....I've basically relized that anything coming out for the xbox is 'Better than anything on the PS3'...simply because for example...Blue Dragon being dubbed FF killer or Square Enix killers or w/e they called it...then it becoming a flop and those ignorant comments stop...meh...hypocrits....

As I've said in the past.....xbox gamers who think PGR is better....

1.Young kids, immature, narrow minded, only plays and owns 1 system, xbox 1 probably being their first...

2.Has no sense of 'History', or how far back the GT series go's....

3.Never played GT games...if so.....so retarded.....they do not understand REAL PHYSICS and gameplay...ending up crashing, blaming it on the game....

4.PGR is easier to turn, and swurve...etc.....so yea, the game is dummed down, for the retards who think it's better, find the relation

5.Xbox fanboys.....who can't appreciate or admit something looks good or plays good if not on their system...if GT was 360 exclusive.....how shifted the arguments would be....

Why waste time comparing?Why waste time making points?Ignorance......there's some people just to narrow minded to see the light....try telling people who live in the projects there's 'A God', and 'A way out', or prayer or something, they'll just laugh at you and call you retarded....all they know is ignorance....all PGR players who think PGR is better....is...ignorant....and no reviews....gameplay footage, graphics, hands on...helll....even if gamespot said it was better.....they'd find something wrong with that....

Hypocrits:roll:

I've played GT3-4, own them actually....played Forza...meh....

Looked bland to me..boring..after the first race I literally never played that game again...never touched it...looked at it...cared about it...

From what I could see it was just another bland racer...with a sim element....

Has damage...big deal....GT had like 500 cars....

No amount of damage control could make up for blandlessness, boring and dullness, boring cars...boring racing...etc...

I personally feel it's like basically people on the xbox finally have their own racing game so with the passionate hate for Sony they deny that GT is better....most of them are little kiddies who had xbox as their first system...or next gen system.....so they have no idea what GT was or is except for screenshots and videos...but to narrow minded to see that....

There's nothing more I could really say....if you're narrow minded then you'll say Forza 2 is better...wanan argue?Forget car damage....feature to feature...GT beats the series....forget online play........now with both of those out of the argument.....what could you possibly bring forth now?

meh that's my 2 cents I'm no Sony fanboy but when it comes down to it GT has Forza beat...and infact playing BOTH series I can honestly say that from an unbiased viewpoint...

oK....

If you don't like GT, or bash it....you.....

A.Never played it

B.Let your ignorance ruin your good judgement, if you've played it or seen it *Cause you know it's great*

C.Fail, a lemming, 360 fanboy, in your logic, anything non 360 sucks...

GT

Thousands of cars, realistic tracks, good soundtrack, excellent graphics, realistic physics..

Forza

Car damage?Who cares, I've played the game, bland tracks, cars, no fun, basically, not Gran Turismo...

Seeing how I've played both, also agreeing Gamespot and other review sites that no racing game can ever beat GT, it's a fact....

What's amazing is how you lemmings claim gameplay over graphics but have yet to provide a point or proof Forza can beat the physics, car line up, realism, varity of tracks, like Grand Canyon in GT4, hell, GT4 looks better or up to par than Forza, a PS2 game, yea....

If you disagree, your most likely...

A.Ignorant, and very

B.With A combined, and a 360 fanboy, doesn't own a PS3, or GT game

C.Combine A and B, along with never playing a GT game, and you fail..

The ignorance here is amazing, show me one game that didn't have early build screenshots not in the gameplay perspective, being a Source SDK user, I'd know when you create your own content on a computer, you can freely move the camera around to see everything....

Even in game devs interviews, they show the game without models or skins, just figures with little balls on every angle, then at the click of a button the color and everything shows, and they move the camera around to show it off?Am I the only one who watches that?

Early MGS screenshots, not in game, now look at in game MGS, it's up to par, isn't it?

If someone said anything about MGS before the gameplay was out, cows would moo out and claim that it can be done, or w/e bs excuse they'd make, but now Halo 3 can't be done?

I've come to relize that cows are hypocrits, who just say anything in defense of the PS3, even if not to make sense, just to argue....

http://www.destructoid.com/resident-evil-4-pc-patch-makes-game-not-look-like-crap-31058.phtml

A link to the patch there....