@boyinblu @MasterOfMordor @Blondezilla11 @Dan11223344 @avalanche814 @Critical_man Because they are minor characters. If you met someone for an hour how much would you know about them?
The sexism is as germane to the conversation as racism, but that went untouched. Not that either should have been.
@Dan11223344 @MasterOfMordor @avalanche814 @Critical_man Maybe, but you may not be THAT female? I hope that makes sense. You can put yourself in someones shoes, but you can't put yourself in everyones shoes. I can't imagine what it is really like to live as a gang member, or as a Marine etc....
@Blondezilla11 @MasterOfMordor @Dan11223344 @avalanche814 @Critical_man I can promise you I am plenty old enough, as much as I'd like to say "just barely".
Truly though, o one likes to be told they are pretentious or stupid or wrong or anything else that may be negative. And whats worse, we live in a PC society where we cannot say these things. Every little kid gets a trophy when they play little league whether they earn it or not, and that continues through life.
I mean honestly, is the bra burning feminist of the past gone? Was it just imagined? Like the yeti, is it just made up? What about gangs? Are they made up as well? Was it all an elaborate plan to give more people jobs as cops in inner city areas? Oh, or what about weak minded girlfriends that let their boyfriend walk all over them because they don't think they can do any better? Just a unicorn?
You know they exist but its not nice to tell someone they exist. Sorry if I offended your sensibilities.
@Blondezilla11 @MasterOfMordor @Dan11223344 @avalanche814 @Critical_man And my response to you is as valid as ever. If it is too "edgy" don't play it but don't tell me I can't play GTAV because it offends your sensibilities. It is rated for mature audiences, go scream at the moms and dads that let these kids play the games as you say, they need to be adhered to more closely, so take your argument up with them. I'm an adult and can play what I want. COD doesn't make you a Marine and GTA doesn't make you a sadomasochistic hater of women that likes to steal cars.
And as for having issues with a game, sure go ahead, but don't spout off about your personal issues in an objective review. Write an editorial.
@Dan11223344 @MasterOfMordor @avalanche814 @Critical_man Hey! Thanks for a response that is actually worth a damn. The issue I see here though, is that she docked the game for NOT doing something it never tried to do in the first place. Ok maybe there are a no real relatable female characters, but part of that problem may be that no female wants to admit she relates to any of them. I don't know that for a fact either way, but we do know that there are very active, vehement feminists out there. Are there NO characters like that? Maybe but we don't talk about that being relatable because it has a negative connotation. Just like the black gang bangers that you say are based in fact, but have a negative connotation so no one is standing up and saying "yeah man I've been there" but we also don't nock the game down a peg for it.
And as an aside, there are no female characters to look up to in the Godfather....is that a worse movie for it?
@Blondezilla11 @MasterOfMordor @Dan11223344 @avalanche814 @Critical_man So where exactly is your argument or useful contribution to the conversation?
Are you also of the mind that it is fire arms that turn people into murderers? I mean since games like GTA turn people into raving morons posting hateful comments as you stated.
What about COD? Have you ever gone online and played THAT game and heard the hurtful things people say. I mean how many people are in counseling over that game. So we have to shut that down to right? And all shooters while we are at it, because if not COD, those people will find SOME shooter to play and the problem begins again?
I could go on and on, but you get the point blondie.
@GrumpyMcNasty Isn't that part of the problem though? The website has an entire show devoted to the puerile comments of foolish children, but if a poster makes a good, measured argument, it will go ignored, because the editors of this website choose not to engage posters that can actually go toe to toe with them on an intelligence level, and may actually have some good points to which they again, have no answer, so instead they just turn a blind eye.
@Dan11223344 @avalanche814 @MasterOfMordor @Critical_man Ok so, question, how are some/most/all black people portrayed in the game? Are they portrayed as upstanding citizens or gangbangers from the ghetto? And I am not really sure what your example what supposed to prove?
Remember, it is GTA, you should know what you are getting into. Do you really need Caro playing the morality police (for the only moral she cares about by the way) and docking a games score because of it?
@geekymcgeekers @MasterOfMordor @avalanche814 @Critical_man Not in an objective review. This is the problem with reviews and with journalism in general. We have gotten away from what are the facts, and into how does it make me feel. I have nothing against you geek, but I do not care how it makes you feel, or how Caro feel, or Kevin Van Ord, so why should that effect a review score that is meant to be objective. If they are not meant to be objective then why is that not spelled out in their very own Review Guidelines? Caro should have written an editorial, separate from the review to express her displeasure with the sexism etc.
@avalanche814 @MasterOfMordor @Critical_man Right! I am with her when she speaks about taking leaps of logic with characters, because I hate it when games/television does this. When you KNOW a character wouldn't do something but does it anyway, but the misogyny thing is preposterous. Where is the race thing? Where is the torture thing? You cannot cherry pick what hurts your feelings and what doesn't.
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