[QUOTE="Mishmash94"][QUOTE="m25105"] No they're not and by saying that Hadiths are just important as the Quran, you're basically saying that the works of men are more important the words of Allah. Allah made the Quran clear for us to understand, it says it right there in the Quran itself. Are you calling Allah a liar?m25105

If I told you that I had bought a red new car for 10,000 dollars and you told it to everyone you knew and they in turn told it to everyone they knew, for 100 years without anyone writing it down. Do you think the words would be the same?

[QUOTE="Mishmash94"][QUOTE="m25105"]Quran takes precedence over Hadith. Much to the chagrin of all those who'd like to abuse women.m25105

By who? A bunch of Arabs who never met the prophet Muhammad in their lives all claimed the same, that women were inferior? They did that too, before the prophet was born. I'd take any Hadith with a pinch of salt.

Quran > everything else. The word of Allah Himself should never be hold the same as a man written Hadith based entirely on hearsay. Especially when you consider the society back then, when it was normal to bury small girls, because the family wanted boys. Don't you think a lot of those people would rejoice to go back to their old practices? Traditions doesn't die easy.

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[QUOTE="OB-47"]

That is the most naive thing i have heard in awhile

In the Quran, it says that men and women are equal. The bible however does not.

m25105

Why is OT so pro-Islam? I beg people to read the Quran and the Hadith before going on about how peaceful and great Islam is. Read about the historical Muhammad. Not a guy I would be praising. Yes, there are parts of the Quaran where Allah claims women and men are spiritually equal, but that's where it ends.

Here, let me quote the Sahih al-Bukhari:

Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."

And just another one of my favorites from that same section:

"When ever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle any of his wives during the periods (menses), he used to ask her to wear an Izar."

Puts a bad image in my head :(

Now of course you can reply and post a slew of quotes that say this and that. How the best men treat their wives the best and so on. But there are plenty of questionable quotes in theHadith with negative connotations toward women. One must accept all of Islam or none of it. No picking the best sections.

[QUOTE="Mishmash94"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

The Qur'an says men and women are equal...

Palantas

...nor would it emphatically state in both the Qur'an and Sunnah that women are innately more sinful than men and are men's possessions...

Hmm. These seem to be incompatible statements here. What's the right answer?