Viruses are not considered living by biologists. They are parasitic and require a host to replicate. Jocubus

this is true. a virs has no nucleus also.

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Why are some people brought up in these wretched conditions, while others can sit happily living off the luxury resources provided from the sweat and misery of those they never have to see? What on earth does that say about an all loving God? He loves those who were worthy of being born in the right place?

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Good point.

not really, you are looking at what a world, that man shaped, made the "poor". When god sent their spirit down to join the physical body he loves them and everytime he does it is another miracle. but what happens after that body has a spirit is the doing of the world. not god. if he meddled with every detail he wouldn't be giving us the teftf in life we need. Bill Gates is filthy rich and has HIS OWN charity foundation. The rich and poor become what they make themselves and what they let the world make of them.

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1. It's relevant, because, if you remember...

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God is omnipotent... he could make it so that evil is not necessary for good to exist, right?Funky_Llama

2. I don't see how suffering is necessary to be humans. I suppose Adam and Eve weren't human before Original Sin, then.

1. No....it's still not relevant because as I stated omnipotency has nothing to do with definitions. You can't have one extreme without the other. It's impossible.

2. Before the first of mankind sinned? And? They were put on earth in a human condition. I'm dealing with humans as we know them.

1. And that contradicts omnipotence. If God is omnipotent, he could make it so that you can have good without evil. If that is indeed impossible for God, he's not omnipotent. So your solution to the problem of evil (that you can't have good without evil), and the concept of an omnipotent God, are mutually exclusive. And since you do believe in an omnipotent God, your solution to the problem of evil cannot, therefore, be correct.

2. What kind of a counterargument is that? They were humans, and they had not suffered, therefore suffering is not necessary to be human.

Were they human? Can your prove that?

I used the idea of an omnipotent being as a premise in my argument. It is linked logically to the argument's conclusion. It's not irrelevant.

:roll: Just don't. You know Adam and Eve were humans. I know Adam and Eve were humans. Don't even bother going down that route.

In fact, you are incorrect. God did create adam and eve as perfect beings. As long as they followed his rules, which they did not, they would remain immortal. But when they partook of the fruit and were cast out. They discovered mortality and eventually led to the discovery of sex. So, in fact, had they not committed original sin, we would not exist b/c adam and eve never would have discovered sexuality