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#1 NTWrightfan
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[QUOTE="NTWrightfan"]

nobody comes to atheism for purely intellectual reasons, its all about emotional reasons

and the bandwagon effect

Genetic_Code

I'm sure intellectuals often use vague generalizations to support their argument.

that was an argument? sounded like a statement of brute fact to me
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nobody comes to atheism for purely intellectual reasons, its all about emotional reasons

and the bandwagon effect

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[QUOTE="NTWrightfan"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

I have decided that we need moar philosophy. For this reason, I have commissioned my finest word-engineers to create a meta-ethical poll of such devastating clarity that no one shall be even remotely confused by it.

*ahem* I don't know where that came from. Anyway, yeah, I'm a moral objectivist. :P

Funky_Llama

so what do you think of Craig's moral argument?

Premise (1) If God does not exist, then objective moral values do not exist

Premise (2) Objective moral values do exist

Conclusion: Therefore, God exists

BTW, I'm a moral objectivist of course. There are actions which are always wrong no matter what ANYONE thinks. The holocaust would still be wrong if everyone on earth including myself thought otherwise.

It's a bit rubbish, that's what I think of it. :P
Premise 1 is unproven.

alrighty then, so tell me now, how can you, as a naturalist, give a basis by which you can say anything is actually evil? I'm not saying provide a standard to live by, but a way by which we can say that something is actually evil. and don't say empathy, its just a standard, not a way to say something is actually evil. How can you say that the holocaust was ACTUALLY evil?

repetition totally necessary :P

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[QUOTE="NTWrightfan"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

BTW, I'm a moral objectivist of course. There are actions which are always wrong no matter what ANYONE thinks. The holocaust would still be wrong if everyone on earth including myself thought otherwise.

z4twenny

inaccurate, if everyone on earth thought it was ok then that wouldn't make it wrong. it would make it ok.

before we go on, please take the time to define "ok"

that statement really sounds tantamount to declaring that the world would be flat if everyone thought so.

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I have decided that we need moar philosophy. For this reason, I have commissioned my finest word-engineers to create a meta-ethical poll of such devastating clarity that no one shall be even remotely confused by it.

*ahem* I don't know where that came from. Anyway, yeah, I'm a moral objectivist. :P

Funky_Llama

so what do you think of Craig's moral argument?

Premise (1) If God does not exist, then objective moral values do not exist

Premise (2) Objective moral values do exist

Conclusion: Therefore, God exists

BTW, I'm a moral objectivist of course. There are actions which are always wrong no matter what ANYONE thinks. The holocaust would still be wrong if everyone on earth including myself thought otherwise.

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#6 NTWrightfan
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I've only bought a bunch of books in the last ~5 months, so I really can't name anything off the top of my head.
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I like it just because I get to miss 3 days of school.
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#8 NTWrightfan
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I'd have to say I have my share of worries, but I don't particularly fear death.

I don't want to die, but I'm more than prepared to put myself in harms way for another person.

My fear isn't exactly death, but how I'll die.

I have a strange phobia of cancer, moreso than the average person. That just sounds like a horrible way to die, and even if you live, it still sounds terrifying.

I'm more scared of cancer than possibly any other disease or illness. Just the idea of it growing inside you...uck...

-TheSecondSign-
put me in a situation a soon death is very likely and I will tell you. until then I will not put on this masquerade that I have no fear of death like many others here will.
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In the first twenty minutes, I'd steal a helicopter. Then I would see if a helicopter can travel over forty miles in forty minutes.Darth_Tyrev
problem is even if you get out of the blast zone, you'd crash cuz of the EMP
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#10 NTWrightfan
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I am absolutely against this proposed bailout. American automakers by and large make crappy vehicles, and they do a craptastic job at conducting themselves. Just a few examples, My family once owned a Chevy Suburban with LT quadrasteer, and it was brand new. After a year and a half maybe, it was in the shop getting repairs every other month, and one time we discovered a problem, the car would make a loud *clank* noise every time the transmission was changed. we went to get that fixed, guess what, IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO THAT! We decided to sell that and we bought a USED Honda Odyssey. in 2 years, it was only in the shop twice, one time because the door locking mechanism was not functioning properly, and the other when the steering made a funky noise.American cars are by and large in the shop far more often than imported cars. Funny that we call them imports because a pretty sizeable majority of the parts of the car are made IN AMERICA! Go down to the south, you'll find tons of foreign car manufacturing plants like Honda, Toyota, and BMW (they have an assembly plant on South Carolina). Speaking of that, Honda plants can switch their manufactured model in just 15 minutes (if they were making accords, they can shift to civics in 15 minutes). It takes American automakers 18 months to retool their plants. American automakers have sought methods to get you to buy their cars, every single one but making a desirable and marketable car. I say goodbye and good riddance.