[QUOTE="Ninja_Hawk"]

Ok, let's run through this again, I think you are really missing the point here.  Yes, there have been alot of games made with a Japanese in mind, Blue Dragon is probably one of the most famous.  I put " on hatred, because I was using it as a figure of speech for why the 360 isn't selling over there, not literally.  You obviously couldn't get that.

Going to extremes of what, you're quick to write off what i'm doing instead of responding to it, your comparing consoles here and you're telling me that price isn't a factor between the PS3 and the Wii, so if that's the case why can't it be the other way around and still work for the Wii?  I mean after all it's got the "appeal".  I could go on for days about how the novelty has worn off on me, but that's a story for another day.

 

axt113

Blue dragon is one game, there aren't many more, and the fact is the 360 proves that price is not the main factor , you don't seem to get that

No I responded, the 360 blows a huge hole in your argument, it costs much less, than the PS3 and yet sells worse, because of the lack of appeal 

Dead Or Alive 4, Ninety-NIne Nights?  This could go on and on.  You blew a whole in my arguement?  Um, no,  it sells worse because the Japanese aren't too fond of the XBOX brand, so now the PS3 has your so-called "appeal"?  You are being way too vague with this "appeal" thing.

[QUOTE="Ninja_Hawk"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Ninja_Hawk"]

I was speaking hypothetically, if you say price doesn't matter, then it wouldn't matter what's included in the system, the Wii would still sell more according to you.  I'm telling you that would not be the case.

I don't think you understand what i'm saying.  I'm using the term hype in the same context as you're using the term appeal.  Only to say that is what is driving alot of the sales, there has been a great amount of hype of the Wii being this family oriented system, that all can enjoy.  That's what has been pushing alot of the sales.  It sure as hell ain't the software, I own the best titles on the system.

And your last example was terrible.  Japan hates XBOX, that's why the Core didn't sell over there.

axt113

No it has nothing to do with hatred of the Xbox, its the lack of games on the Xbox that appeal, like I've been saying from the beginning its appeal that decides sales more than anything.

Aslo I never said that price doesn't matter, I said it wasn't the main factor , and that there are things much more important.

No Hype is different from appeal, hype involves exagerrations, there is no exagerration in the Wii, people have played the system and love it 

Yes, it does have alot to do with the "hatred" of the XBOX.  There have been a number of games that were made with the Japanese in mind for the 360, it's still doing bad. 

Price IS a major factor.  Ok i'll put it like this, complete role reversal; if the PS3 was $250 and the Wii was $600, which console do you think would be selling more right now?

What part of "I was using hype in the same context of appeal" didn't you get, the hype is the excitement made over the console.  Thus leading to sales.  That's like saying everyone who bought the console, played it prior to purchasing it.  I know parents who bought it for their families because they thought it would be something for the entire family to enjoy, along the lines of getting a board game like Monopoly that everyone in the household will gather to play with together.

No there haven't been many games with the Japanese in mind, and the few that there have been have broken into the top 50 games sales, so that proves that its not hatred, just a lack of games

Again you're going to extremes to try and make it seem like it has a bigger importance, I never said it wasn't important, just not the main factor, and your examples are so far out of reality that they are irelavant, 

the 360 proves that price is not the key factor in sales,

the main factor remains appeal,  and yes price does play a role in appeal, 

but the bigger role is what the people love, and they love the gampley on the Wii 

Ok, let's run through this again, I think you are really missing the point here.  Yes, there have been alot of games made with a Japanese in mind, Blue Dragon is probably one of the most famous.  I put " on hatred, because I was using it as a figure of speech for why the 360 isn't selling over there, not literally.  You obviously couldn't get that.

Going to extremes of what, you're quick to write off what i'm doing instead of responding to it, your comparing consoles here and you're telling me that price isn't a factor between the PS3 and the Wii, so if that's the case why can't it be the other way around and still work for the Wii?  I mean after all it's got the "appeal".  I could go on for days about how the novelty has worn off on me, but that's a story for another day.

[QUOTE="Ninja_Hawk"]

I was speaking hypothetically, if you say price doesn't matter, then it wouldn't matter what's included in the system, the Wii would still sell more according to you.  I'm telling you that would not be the case.

I don't think you understand what i'm saying.  I'm using the term hype in the same context as you're using the term appeal.  Only to say that is what is driving alot of the sales, there has been a great amount of hype of the Wii being this family oriented system, that all can enjoy.  That's what has been pushing alot of the sales.  It sure as hell ain't the software, I own the best titles on the system.

And your last example was terrible.  Japan hates XBOX, that's why the Core didn't sell over there.

axt113

No it has nothing to do with hatred of the Xbox, its the lack of games on the Xbox that appeal, like I've been saying from the beginning its appeal that decides sales more than anything.

Aslo I never said that price doesn't matter, I said it wasn't the main factor , and that there are things much more important.

No Hype is different from appeal, hype involves exagerrations, there is no exagerration in the Wii, people have played the system and love it 

Yes, it does have alot to do with the "hatred" of the XBOX.  There have been a number of games that were made with the Japanese in mind for the 360, it's still doing bad. 

Price IS a major factor.  Ok i'll put it like this, complete role reversal; if the PS3 was $250 and the Wii was $600, which console do you think would be selling more right now?

What part of "I was using hype in the same context of appeal" didn't you get, the hype is the excitement made over the console.  Thus leading to sales.  That's like saying everyone who bought the console, played it prior to purchasing it.  I know parents who bought it for their families because they thought it would be something for the entire family to enjoy, along the lines of getting a board game like Monopoly that everyone in the household will gather to play with together.

[QUOTE="Ninja_Hawk"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Ninja_Hawk"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Ninja_Hawk"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Ninja_Hawk"][QUOTE="axt113"]

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]There's going to be Final Fantasy games on all the platforms probably. But FFXIII and Versus are the big production ones and major games and are exclusive to PS3. The 360 will probably get a Dirge of Cerberus like crap shooter and the Wii will get a Chocobo racing or some casual junk and Crystal Chronicles.axt113

No its speculated that FF13 and VS. will be exclusive, but Sony confirmed that its under discussion 

To keep the titles on their platform, duh.  I swear, Sony finally gets aggressive about keeping titles on their system realizing development costs are rising and alot of developers are making multiplatform games, and somehow this gets spinned as a bad thing for them.

it'll take a lot of money to swing that, PS3 sold under 14K last week 

And if they're talking to SE about it, they're obviously willing to pay it. Of course PS3 sales are going to lack in Japan, they're aren't any games.  When Gundam came out PS3 nearly doubled.  It takes games, once they come, the sales will rise.  This stuff is not hard to figure out.

Wii is selling awesome and it hasn't gotten its big games yet 

The Wii has also had alot of hype backing it up.  That, and less than half the price of the PS3.  I mean come on, this stuff is elementary.

Its not Hype, its appeal, Wii appeals to a much larger audience than the PS3, and while price is a reason its not as big as you think, other consoles have lost even when they cost less than their competition, no its major reason is still appeal

It's hype, it's in the same boat as the Digipets or Furby's were at some point.  So you're honestly saying that if the PS3 was the same price as the Wii, it still wouldn't be selling as much?  Price is a factor, it's a MAJOR FACTOR.  When was the last time a Nintendo system was less than half the price of a Sony console?

Yup it wouldn't sell as much because it wouldn't have a blu-ray drive or HD graphics, sony wouldn't be able to put it in at $250, price is a factor but its only a factor when included in appeal, Wii isn't about hype, since most of the appeal comes from people actually playing it and loving it, 

hype is what Sony does before their console launches, and it fizzled this time, Wii is about Appeal, it gives ease of pickup and play gaming, which appeals to most people, its not in the same boat as Furby's, and the fact that its $250 is a bonus to it, but its not the major factor, if it was 360 would be a huge seller in japan, since the core is only $50 more, but its not, becasue it lacks the appeal of the Wii

I was speaking hypothetically, if you say price doesn't matter, then it wouldn't matter what's included in the system, the Wii would still sell more according to you.  I'm telling you that would not be the case.

I don't think you understand what i'm saying.  I'm using the term hype in the same context as you're using the term appeal.  Only to say that is what is driving alot of the sales, there has been a great amount of hype of the Wii being this family oriented system, that all can enjoy.  That's what has been pushing alot of the sales.  It sure as hell ain't the software, I own the best titles on the system.

And your last example was terrible.  Japan hates XBOX, that's why the Core didn't sell over there.

[QUOTE="Ninja_Hawk"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Ninja_Hawk"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Ninja_Hawk"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="peacebringer"]

Wanted to bump this thread after the announcment of the PS3 selling close to 800thousand already so who say it floped in europe?http://www.gamespot.com/news/6169204.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;8

 

axt113

They sent a Million at launch almost a month ago and have only sold 800k since then?  :lol: that's a massive flop!  

Emphasis on.....800k and one month.

Yup that's weak, Wii would have sold that in like 3 days 

You're starting to make me think you're a bit biased.  What does the Wii's success have to do with anything?  Because one console doesn't sell as fast as another it's a failure, that illogical.  Especially considering that console is more than double it's price. 

Its a failure compared to the other one, GCN was a failure compared to PS2 because it didn;t sell as much 

No one was talking about it compared to the other.  The PS3's success shouldn't be determined by the Wii's standards.  I could call the 360 a failure for not selling as fast as the PS2, but the fact is it's selling fine. The GC wasn't a failure, it had it's setbacks but it wasn't a failure.  I like to be rational, and i'm never quick to call names, but you're sounding kind of ignorant.  Oh wait, I forgot I was on System Wars.

This forum is about comparing the consoles with one another, PS2 and 360 are different genrations, Wii and PS3 are the same gen, which is why you can compare them 

Well then in that case the 360 is a failure, because it's not selling as fast as the Wii or PS3 around this time last year.

[QUOTE="Ninja_Hawk"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Ninja_Hawk"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Ninja_Hawk"][QUOTE="axt113"]

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]There's going to be Final Fantasy games on all the platforms probably. But FFXIII and Versus are the big production ones and major games and are exclusive to PS3. The 360 will probably get a Dirge of Cerberus like crap shooter and the Wii will get a Chocobo racing or some casual junk and Crystal Chronicles.axt113

No its speculated that FF13 and VS. will be exclusive, but Sony confirmed that its under discussion 

To keep the titles on their platform, duh.  I swear, Sony finally gets aggressive about keeping titles on their system realizing development costs are rising and alot of developers are making multiplatform games, and somehow this gets spinned as a bad thing for them.

it'll take a lot of money to swing that, PS3 sold under 14K last week 

And if they're talking to SE about it, they're obviously willing to pay it. Of course PS3 sales are going to lack in Japan, they're aren't any games.  When Gundam came out PS3 nearly doubled.  It takes games, once they come, the sales will rise.  This stuff is not hard to figure out.

Wii is selling awesome and it hasn't gotten its big games yet 

The Wii has also had alot of hype backing it up.  That, and less than half the price of the PS3.  I mean come on, this stuff is elementary.

Its not Hype, its appeal, Wii appeals to a much larger audience than the PS3, and while price is a reason its not as big as you think, other consoles have lost even when they cost less than their competition, no its major reason is still appeal

It's hype, it's in the same boat as the Digipets or Furby's were at some point.  So you're honestly saying that if the PS3 was the same price as the Wii, it still wouldn't be selling as much?  Price is a factor, it's a MAJOR FACTOR.  When was the last time a Nintendo system was less than half the price of a Sony console?

[QUOTE="Ninja_Hawk"][QUOTE="wavebrid"][QUOTE="Ninja_Hawk"][QUOTE="wavebrid"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="wavebrid"]

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]There's going to be Final Fantasy games on all the platforms probably. But FFXIII and Versus are the big production ones and major games and are exclusive to PS3. The 360 will probably get a Dirge of Cerberus like crap shooter and the Wii will get a Chocobo racing or some casual junk and Crystal Chronicles.wavebrid

its not exclusvie cows :|

You have no sources to back up that argument and as it stand FFXIII and Versus are exclusive to the PS3 while the 360 may get a spinoff. You are bad at what you do.

Anyways, the Wii will probably get some RPG from Square, and it doesn't really matter because everyone will be owning more then one system in the end. 

http://www.ps3center.net/story-394.html

You got any prove no you dont 2. it was never exclsive

Are you joking, that isn't confirmation of anything.  It isn't even that big of a site.  He doesn't even quote him!

Square Enix Confirms FFXIII Is Not Exclusive To PS3"

:roll: i didnt know sqaure says themselfs and its not confirmation

so me a site were it says other wise dont bother

No, the person writing the article says it, show me where SE says it, or like you say...."don't bother".

look above another link :|

im still watting for prove thats is not going to other console im watting you havent prove one dime of prove :|

"In an interview with the Australian PlayStation 3 Magazine, Motomu Toriyama, Final Fantasy XIII director, stated that the Fabula Nova Crystallis Final Fantasy XIII project isn't limited to the three titles announced so far.

Toriyama also stated that these other, yet to be announced, games are not PlayStation 3 and mobile exclusive.  Unfortunately he didn't say anything more about these mysterious addition."

He's talking about the saga not the FFXIII project specifically. Duh!

[QUOTE="Ninja_Hawk"][QUOTE="wavebrid"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="wavebrid"]

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]There's going to be Final Fantasy games on all the platforms probably. But FFXIII and Versus are the big production ones and major games and are exclusive to PS3. The 360 will probably get a Dirge of Cerberus like crap shooter and the Wii will get a Chocobo racing or some casual junk and Crystal Chronicles.wavebrid

its not exclusvie cows :|

You have no sources to back up that argument and as it stand FFXIII and Versus are exclusive to the PS3 while the 360 may get a spinoff. You are bad at what you do.

Anyways, the Wii will probably get some RPG from Square, and it doesn't really matter because everyone will be owning more then one system in the end. 

http://www.ps3center.net/story-394.html

You got any prove no you dont 2. it was never exclsive

Are you joking, that isn't confirmation of anything.  It isn't even that big of a site.  He doesn't even quote him!

Square Enix Confirms FFXIII Is Not Exclusive To PS3"

:roll: i didnt know sqaure says themselfs and its not confirmation

so me a site were it says other wise dont bother

No, the person writing the article says it, show me where SE says it, or like you say...."don't bother".

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="wavebrid"]

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]There's going to be Final Fantasy games on all the platforms probably. But FFXIII and Versus are the big production ones and major games and are exclusive to PS3. The 360 will probably get a Dirge of Cerberus like crap shooter and the Wii will get a Chocobo racing or some casual junk and Crystal Chronicles.wavebrid

its not exclusvie cows :|

You have no sources to back up that argument and as it stand FFXIII and Versus are exclusive to the PS3 while the 360 may get a spinoff. You are bad at what you do.

Anyways, the Wii will probably get some RPG from Square, and it doesn't really matter because everyone will be owning more then one system in the end. 

http://www.ps3center.net/story-394.html

You got any prove no you dont 2. it was never exclsive

Are you joking, that isn't confirmation of anything.  It isn't even that big of a site.  He doesn't even quote him!