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#1 Osaka-06
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[QUOTE="Osaka-06"] I'm pretty sure the allied forces would shoot a bunch of civilians in 1945 Germany just because one or two of them were carrying weapons. dkrustyklown

Yes, they would.

Yeah, I'm sorry I forgot about your experiences during World War 2 , Mr. Henderson.
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[QUOTE="Osaka-06"]So basically, we have a FOX NEWS article pointing out how the video didn't notice a guy with an RPG and a guy with an AK-47, and thus trying to somehow prove that the video's credibility is questionable. Fox News showing themselves as the military's mouthpiece as usual. What some idiots don't understand is that the ****s who shot those civilians weren't under any threat whatsoever. It's not as if the guy with an RPG was hiding behind cover trying to aim it at the chopper, and its not as if he was going to do it either. I mean, if the chopper had been within the range of an RPG, he would have noticed it long before it opened fire. There's no question about it, the pilots should be court marshalled and face capital punishment if they're ever found.dkrustyklown

In a warzone, you shoot people carrying weapons. That's what war IS. You don't wait until they fire at you or aim at you to open up on them. If you see a weapon, you shoot it. That's all there is to it.

You should figure out how war works.

Can you imagine if we fought WWII the way that you suggest? "Gee sarge, those Germans over there are digging foxholes and setting up machine gun nests, but since they aren't aiming at me, I guess I'll just sit here and wait until they do."

No, this isn't Modern Warfare 2 were civilians are non-existen. You DON'T open fire at a group of people in the middle of a city just because you see a couple of firearms. The Germans had uniforms. I'm pretty sure the allied forces would shoot a bunch of civilians in 1945 Germany just because one or two of them were carrying weapons.
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#3 Osaka-06
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[No they didn't have all the time in the world...and they weren't civilians.LJS9502_basic
Oh I see. That's probably why they had time in circle the entire area before they decided to open fire. And that's probably why they had time to zoom in on the dead bodies making casual comments about the situation. And I'm sorry I forgot, according to you, anyone in Iraq is a possible target since they could all be hiding something...well, at least the civilians killed by the US army are, right?
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Actually after a fight they do count bodies(if safe)......editing videos to make the military look bad annoys me no end.LJS9502_basic
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't send troops out of the green zone to count bodies in mid 2007. Though I'm pretty sure it would be safe since you don't walk CASUALLY down an open street if you're loacted in the middle of a battle.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Osaka-06"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] How do you know they were unarmed?

They did not display any signs of having firearms on them. And if you imply that they were hiding them, then by your logic, EVERY civilian, armed or not, is an OK target since they're all capable of hiding some kind of weapon. But it doesn't matter if they were unarmed or not, they were EVACUATING the wounded.

You know it was an unmarked van coming to the aid of perceived insurgents...right? Most people don't drive into the middle of a war zone. And you have one second to make a decision as to whether they are friendly or not. Using caution....they appeared unfriendly.

...what? The pilots were sitting on their fat asses laughing whilst they were popping of rounds. One second my arse. They weren't stressed out and they sure as hell had all the time in the world to decide whether or not shooting unarmed civilians would be a good idea or not. Again, capital punishment is the only fitting punishment for mass murder.
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[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You saw armed men and didn't like that in war you take out such individuals since if you don't...they will get you?Elephant_Couple

I saw a group of men unarmed, some with cameras, next to a couple guys (no more than three) with weapons. I then proceeded to watch the whole group get slaughtered. Then a van pulls up to help one of the wounded journalists. Then this van gets shot at too for no visible reason. I did not like what I saw.

There were not only 3 men with weapons first and foremost; that's pretty obvious. Second, do you know anything about the protocol these terrorists follow? If U.S forces kill them, it's standard procedure for their fellow insurgents to immediately remove and hide the bodies so that the U.S. military can't get an accurate count. THAT is what the van was doing, and that's why they shot it. You could clearly see they were picking up dead bodies, not wounded journalists.

What a load. Do you really think the US military would send people out to COUNT the bodies, they're not that stupid? The only count they get is from this video. Seeing people make crap up like this in order to defend the military simply for the sake of defending it makes my stomach turn.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] How do you know they were unarmed?

They did not display any signs of having firearms on them. And if you imply that they were hiding them, then by your logic, EVERY civilian, armed or not, is an OK target since they're all capable of hiding some kind of weapon. But it doesn't matter if they were unarmed or not, they were EVACUATING the wounded.
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#8 Osaka-06
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Let's see here. Make it so that the only things you're moderate for is extreme personal attacks against other users (and when this happens, the only time the mods should be able to do anything is if the insulted person reports the offence himself), posting porn and spam. Everything else should be allowed.
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#9 Osaka-06
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

It is threads like this that weaken our argument for less restrictions and moderations... :(

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I say we increase them...and to the dude above...having two journalists in a group does NOT mean the group was civilians. Weapons were found at the sight and my eyes showed them to me on the video. Even the video stated weapons were there. Civilians? I think not. Otherwise the dudes in the helicopter were civilians as well sightseeing....

Having a couple of firearms in a group when the country is in the middle of a civil war does NOT make the entire group combatants. The group was NO threat to anyone and if they'd been planning an attack, they'd not walked casually down a street.
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#10 Osaka-06
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It is threads like this that weaken our argument for less restrictions and moderations... :(

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People have been complaining about less restrictions and moderations since 2004 bro. It's not going to happen. GS is and always will be infamous for having moderators like that.