[QUOTE="PS3Fanaddict"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] A lemming? You, my good sir(s), are mistaken. If anything, I am a hermit.thepwninator

[QUOTE="PS3Fanaddict"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] I see you quoted yourself. Perhaps you are also tsep? I think it is possible (and potentially likely).thepwninator

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="PS3Fanaddict"] no actually its not, microsoft just took the people for fools and said at the conference table "hey, instead of taking money at once, lets suck it out with live payments, and necessary accessory payments"enygma500

How is it twisted?

did MS have wireless controllers standar or not?

do they build in wifi or not?

do they charge a fee to use your own internet connection which you already pay for or not?

Live is just M$ way of nickel and diming you to death without you even realising it...and it's working. it's the same as this rubbish DLC that's been comming around. alt costumes for SF4? VS mode in RE5? added difficulties in megaman 9? all complete rubbish.

Here's the FACTS. people say for playing game and only playing games the 360 is cheaper right? wrong! not in my case anyways. when i think of playing games i think i of playing online. thus and online fee would be a justified addition to the cost of the console. for the people who do NOT play online, yes it's cheaper. BUT online play is the new big thing with console gaming. all new games REVOLVE around their online portions. therefore online play is obviously important and thus the cost of playing online is relevant. the only one who can argue these FACTS are lemmings.

[QUOTE="PS3Fanaddict"][QUOTE="PS3Fanaddict"] ye by there logic, they can sell u a game for 20 dollars cheaper then ps3, and jus charge users 2 dollars a month to use it ;)..and lemmings will fall for it :lol:thepwninator

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="PS3Fanaddict"] no actually its not, microsoft just took the people for fools and said at the conference table "hey, instead of taking money at once, lets suck it out with live payments, and necessary accessory payments"PS3Fanaddict

Actually, since 360 shares a good deal of titles with PC, a 360 owner does NOT need a PC to play those titles.

The PS3 owner on the other hand, MUST have a PC to have access to those titles, in order to justify the "but those games are on PC" argument when comparing libraries of the two consoles. And of course it MUST be a top of the line gaming PC at no less than $4000.

So when balancing all things out it comes to

Xbox 360 - $600PS3 - $4500

Speculative argument IS fun :):):)

[QUOTE="PS3Fanaddict"][QUOTE="PS3Fanaddict"] i remember when i bought ps2 on launch, i played ps1 games on it for a year and a half reading every issue of EGM waiting for a good game to come out for PS2...eventually Red Faction came about lol....the moral of this story, look at how the PS2 pwned the industry even with that initial lag...its all in the historynavstar29

[QUOTE="PS3Fanaddict"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] You failed at math again. The 360 is less than the PS3. Its only more if you ignore the actual facts and try to twist things in your favor.thepwninator

[QUOTE="PS3Fanaddict"]nice, take out the sarcastic part of my quote, and leave the important part after the OR if i were to quote u, it would be the "That's what i wanted to read." part, cuz it makes sense, not cuz im trying to lieIronBass

Sorry man... I just got really worked up today over some articles on G4. I'm tired of all the "The PS3 cost too much" BS. I love G4 but sometimes I feel like I'm watching FoxNews or CNN an election year. The truth is that the 360 costs way more than the PS3. There's no way around it.