[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]

Ah, so DS is a person on this website? Why do you keep accusing me of being him/her though? Because I say a few words that he/she might have said? Really, that's your justification? I'm glad you're not a judge or a lwayer, that's for sure.

I noticed that Funky_Llama kind of types like me. Does that mean he's an alt of me too? Or an alt of this DS person? Even you and I, LJS9502, are both fairly good spellers and construct whole sentences fairly easily. I guess we could be alts?

Theokhoth

Ah, the definite smell of DS's bull. You take a particular liking to griping about LJS9502_basic. You consider yourself persecuted and play that card whenever corrected in a debate. You even use the same reasons for leaving a debate, though I'm willing to cut that up to chance.

If you're not him, I would be very surprised. Let's just go with that.

From what I've seen of LJS9502, it seems like he could bring that out of anyone.

Now this thing about this DS is getting old, so if you want to keep saying it, I guess whatever makes you happy. I'm moving on. Another thing, I don't know if you guys are just noobs to the web or what, but people saying they're logging off to eat has been happening since the beginning of forum technology. I've seen it being said at least, I don't know, maybe 45,382,224,482,957,334 times.

Theokhoth, why do you keep doing this colored text stuff? Can't you quote? This is annoying.

No. Read the discussion I had with Funky. Theokhoth

I did.

It wasn't me. I haven't stated my denominational position once in this thread. As for the "DS" stuff, I suspect you're the alternate account of another user with the initials "DS." You post almost exactly the same way as he does, and even your screen name reflects his. . . . .unique personality. Theokhoth

Umm well, I post almost exactly like him? Almost? Ok. You know, I've posted on the internet for almost a decade now,a nd I can tell you that many people have the same way of typing. I don't know, maybe it's the effect of an American education coming to the surface?

People who persecute homosexuals typically do the same to Catholics, so if it's going to be a lose-lose for me anyway why wouldn't I choose a pro-gay denomination? Theokhoth

I don't know, you tell me. Things like this are why you don't make sense to me. If you're christian and gay then why would you choose a demoniation that tells you that half of you is wrong?

Do two Associate degrees in theology and philosophy count? Theokhoth

No. Same reason. You studied and memorized. Good for you. I can do that too, and I have. Am I special now?

No you're not. If you were, you would stand corrected when corrected. You're uncomfortable with the relationship between homosexuality and religion and blame religion for it all, even though I, a homosexual, do not, and have no problems with it. You are, quite simply, trying to get me to find a problem with my religion where none exists. Theokhoth

Now you're telling me I'm not agnostic? Ha ha! Ok sir. ANd you follow that up with all this crap about being uncomfortable when that's not the case. Has nothing to do with comfort. I'm only trying to shed light on the flaws in some reasoning that has been displayed here.

Faulty assumption that has been shown to be incorrect on both counts: God didn't make me gay nor are gays exempt from Heaven. Theokhoth

God made everything, right? You are part of everything, so God made you. You're gay So that means God made you gay It's simple logic, Mr. I Got Two Degrees. And again, that verse states clearly that gays will not inherit the kingdom of God/Heaven.

No it isn't. There's no gay gene. It's caused by hormones. Theokhoth

Even if that's the case, it still isn't your fault. Why repent?

Would I have undying adoration for God if I believed I was screwed?:lol:

Theokhoth

Same thing I was wondering.

[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

What kind of an answer is that? :?

LJS9502_basic

*sigh* You can't declare you beliefs immune to criticism simply because they're beliefs. Unless you're admitting that you don't have a justification for them, and which case why the hell hold that belief in the first place?

OWNAGE to the max. Exactly to the point. Why believe in something you can't justify? Ha ha.

And DS loves to use the words owned and ownage....

Ah, so DS is a person on this website? Why do you keep accusing me of being him/her though? Because I say a few words that he/she might have said? Really, that's your justification? I'm glad you're not a judge or a lwayer, that's for sure.

I noticed that Funky_Llama kind of types like me. Does that mean he's an alt of me too? Or an alt of this DS person? Even you and I, LJS9502, are both fairly good spellers and construct whole sentences fairly easily. I guess we could be alts?

[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]You won't be an atheist after death.;) Ever hear the saying, "There are no atheists in Hell"?

Sex will appear so unbelievably trivial in eternity that we just won't give a crap about it anymore. At least, that's what I think will happen. Sex in Heaven is never mentioned in the Bible.

LJS9502_basic

You know what else in never mentioned in the bible? Lots of stuff. Including the modern rise to mainstream acceptance by homosexuals. I guess since it's not in the bible, gays were never supposed to have become so accepted! :o

Love your neighbor is just advice for living, but the bible never specifically prophesized that homosexuals would become so accepted, even popular! It's so trendy to be gay nowadays! :o

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

What kind of an answer is that? :?

Funky_Llama

*sigh* You can't declare you beliefs immune to criticism simply because they're beliefs. Unless you're admitting that you don't have a justification for them, and which case why the hell hold that belief in the first place?

OWNAGE to the max. Exactly to the point. Why believe in something you can't justify? Ha ha.

You won't be an atheist after death.;) Ever hear the saying, "There are no atheists in Hell"?

Sex will appear so unbelievably trivial in eternity that we just won't give a crap about it anymore. At least, that's what I think will happen. Sex in Heaven is never mentioned in the Bible.

Theokhoth

You know what else in never mentioned in the bible? Lots of stuff. Including the modern rise to mainstream acceptance by homosexuals. I guess since it's not in the bible, gays were never supposed to have become so accepted! :o

[QUOTE="Persecuted_1"]

Nothing was out of context. The next verse just says that some of you were that way, and when they came to Christ, he washed them of their sins. One of those sins is being homosexual. You have not come to Christ to have him wash your homosexuality away. Because that's impossible.

So, God makes you gay and says that gays can't go to heaven unless they repent for being gay Well, that's stupid because first off, no one should have to repent for something they had no control over, and second, you couldn't change or repent for being homosexual anyway, because it's in your DNA code. Unless God expects you to be able to alter your DNA, but then of course he would have to give us supernatural powers for that to be possible, and I doubt God will be doing that anytime soon.

In short, you're screwed, and you got screwed by the very God whom you seem to have undying adoration for.

LJS9502_basic

I'm just going by what the verse says.

But by saying that, are you saying that it's you who speaks for God, instead? I think I've seen you do that in this thread already anyway.

The fact that the very next verse corrects your points kinda shows that you were. . . . Theokhoth

The very next verse. I read it. I continues what the first one said basically.

I don't think I ever told you that. . . . unless I have told you that. . . . . .DS. Theokhoth

Here's this DS thing again. What's the deal? You said it earlier in this very thread. Or it might have been someone else, but I know I saw in this very thread someone say that the Catholic church doesn't feel that being homosexual is a sin.

Good for those sects. There are some Christian sects that promote homosexuality; why didn't I join those? Theokhoth

Too much pressure? You wanted to avoid the persecution of your family and peers; the same perscution that you pile on top of me in heaping mounds?

Don't play psychoanalyst with me; I got straight A's in Psych.;) Theokhoth

Being book smart does not equate to being talented, in the same areas of study. Don't fool yourself that by thinking a good grade justifies you as some certified genius.

Wow. You do sound like a Christian fundamentalist. Theokhoth

I consider myself agnostic. I'm only trying to make points to you.

Of course. But I see no Biblical reason to dismiss it as wrong. You pulled up a verse that APPEARS to say homosexuals never go to Heaven, but if you read on you see that that is not the case, and that salvation does not work that way.

Theokhoth

Nothing was out of context. The next verse just says that some of you were that way, and when they came to Christ, he washed them of their sins. One of those sins is being homosexual. You have not come to Christ to have him wash your homosexuality away. Because that's impossible.

So, God makes you gay and says that gays can't go to heaven unless they repent for being gay Well, that's stupid because first off, no one should have to repent for something they had no control over, and second, you couldn't change or repent for being homosexual anyway, because it's in your DNA code. Unless God expects you to be able to alter your DNA, but then of course he would have to give us supernatural powers for that to be possible, and I doubt God will be doing that anytime soon.

In short, you're screwed, and you got screwed by the very God whom you seem to have undying adoration for.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Hah, I hadn't seen that other verse before. "And this is what some of you were." In other words... people who used to be homosexual, but are no longer.

Theokhoth

Guess what happens after death. . . . . .you're no longer a sinner.

Given that it states that homosexuals don't inherit the kingdom of God... it doesn't appear that you'd get 'let off' like that.

You know, this is what breeds fundamentalism: you take a quote, and no matter how many times you're corrected, you run with it.

If homosexuality is itself a sin, then I won't be gay after death. Simple. I don't think sexuality will exist in Heaven anyway.

You didn't correct him though. You just made excuses. Just because you told yourself that you corrected him, doesn't mean you actually did, in reality.

Nothing is being taken out of context by Llama or myself. The verse states clearly. It is you who is twisting the meaning of the verse to fit your own lifestyle, and somehow avoid hell. Because of course you want to avoid hell.

That's why you adopted the "Catholic stance" on homosexuality. Because other christian sects don't believe that being homosexual is ok. Of course you're going to choose the one that is most accepting of you. That's just natural. This however, doesn't mean it's the true church. Just because it's the most comfortable one to you personally, doesn't mean it's right, universally.