@gstealer @argonath77 Some people are quite ignorant and rude in here... but I think there is just so much misinformation some people have about consoles and pc that I think those discussions are valid to expose facts and knowledge.

@kik4444 they are using a M next to the number, so compare the speeds to the notebook version of the cards.

@eviltomaszxxx I think it will be closer to 7870m performance (which is slower than a desktop 7870)

@blackace @demonkingx5 @Yomigaeru Have you actually looked at that list? Most console games are on the pc.

@blackace @Phelaidar @HapiJoel A pc with better specs will probably be cheaper than those new consoles

Demos usually look way better than anything ever launched with the tech.

I just hope UE4 uses better shadows than UE3... we have beautiful games that look so ugly because of the bad shadows.

@jakeofjakeness I'm actually glad it's AMD. Had an intel and nvidia pc before building the one I'm using now and I think both are great.

What pisses me off about Nvidia is their market tactics... things like physx (which run poorly on other hardware on purpose), their support to new games that actually seems like they spend more time making developers add bugs to games if they run on AMD....

I just think AMD plays fair in the market, more than Nvidia...

@petez34 @CageFury Because people like to discuss horsepower.

@furrynic @gplayer5 The specs are nice, but I think we won't see a huge jump in graphical quality like PS2 - PS3...

I think this is on purpose, actually.

The machines will be cheaper and their life-cycle shorter.

Maybe they are planning on not letting the next-generation last as long as this one.

@MightyEzekiel Most console games come to PC, and you can actually play it with better resolution and more fps.

Not to mention, most games are made for consoles (and by the way, the GTA stuff was really childish)... but there is just so much more you can do on a pc...

Having a good machine that can play console games, pc exclusives and all other stuff you can do on pc seems like the best idea.

And by the way, cut the crap about PC being more expensive and such... the 360 and PS3 are only cheaper than a brand new PC because they are almost 10 YEARS OLD.

At launch you could get a really amazing pc at the same price as the ps3.