There is a massive difference between compulsion to fulfill desire, and acknowledging that the desire exists and being able to indulge it while completely in control. Accepting the existence of a Jewish zombie who is also God, who also killed himself to save us from ourselves, despite designing us to be unlike what he wants us to be, is absolutely ridiculous. We are animals, the product of evolution, and denying what we are is a complete waste of time and countless lives.Zeviander

Not really as you are bound by that desire, you will not refuse that desire. You are in effect a slave to that desire that Biology within you that wants you to do these things, have sex before marriage, immorality if it means you can get up on top and etc. Of course this is just generalisation. But when you compare the ressurection to that of zombies I see in you not an effort to actually discuss freedom, slavery and the like of what it means, but instead just insult. And indeed you are bound to do that by your nature, you cannot resist that temptation to insult others as you see fit and give in to that biology within you. So I could reccomend you read NT wright on the ressurection and then watch a bunch of zombie movies and ask what the difference is but you would probably not bother doing that, probably because you just don't want to see things honestly.

So yeah, you are a slave to that biology, in fact don't most naturalists argue on the basis of this?> That we are not truely free because of those things? In Christ we do things that the natural world does not accept, monasticism, chastity and the like, things which are fundametnally at odds with what society expects. But we do them because we are free in Christ.

Batman is apart of the 1 % so the liberals would hate him as president.

Eh, possibly.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

So let me get this straight Jesus created us, put us here on earth

FearMe801

eh... God created us and put us here on earth, Jesus is the son of God

In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. 4In him was life: and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shines in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]Now you can do whatever you want and let your nature dominate you right?Zeviander

True freedom lies in not being bound to the nature. Those who reject faith typically do things which their nature wants them to do. Sure there is control but thats only preserve some semblance of order, something which I think is still intact and that is good within the nature. But ultimately you give in to your nature, your innate desires and thus you become enslaved to it. Through Christ we are freed from our nature and we are truely free to become what was intended. You can be enslaved to those innate feelings and desires all you want, but you are not free, you are bound by them as you declare constantly on this board.

Yeah like go to school and learn about things like science and tolerance. Its ok i know the church has not been to big on those kind of things.

Since i hardly ever post on this board are you a troll account or serious ? im asking because of your avatar.

MW2ismygame

Well there is a long tradition of scientific practice by those within the church throughout the centuries. Its amazing to read Saint John Damascene and how concerned he was with the antural world and the science of his time and how the monks of other places also did this. As for tolerance, would you have us tolerate you desecrating the sacrad host? Sure we are intolerant in certain respects but it seems you want to think that this is universal on everything which is not the case.

As for trolling, i didn't know that Saint Basil was a troll, maybe he mentioned that in the introduction to on the holy spirit.

Yeah, thats why i like not having to go to church and you know, anything based around religion at all. Weight off my shoulders :)

MW2ismygame

Now you can do whatever you want and let your nature dominate you right?

- Athanasius on the Incarnation

- Artemis fwol

- Legend of Drizt series

- Eusibius church history.

- Selected works from Philokalia vol 1

- The ressurection of the son of God by NT Wright

- The Orhtodox Church, by Metropolitan Kalistos ware

- Crime and punishment, Dostoyveski

- Early Christian writings - The Epistles of Ignatius of Antioch

- The voyage of the dawn treader.

Young George Lucas.

He supplied us with a nature which was perfect and a free will, so no I don't feel screwed over by Christ, only screwed over by Adam.