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#1 Plzhelpmelearn
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That depends....DO you think that this black man is more likely to rob you and sell your children drugs than a white man?

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[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]sex slavery is only in the mind of the prostitute.Barbariser

No, it damn well isn't. A prostitute can leave her job at any time she wants; a sex slave can't. The difference between a prostitute and a sex slave is just like the difference between the dude who builds your house and the poor kid in Africa who's got no choice but to repair guns for his warlord or else he'd get his dad shot in the gut - one is a labourer who's voluntarily took his job, has been trained for it and can be verified as such in paperwork. The other is not.

What I am saying is that the only real way to determine what prostitute is being a prostitute based on her own free will and those who are doing it out of fear, or because they are being manipulated or coerced somehow is to ask the individual. Unfortunately, the latter are not usually willing to be forthcoming about what has motivated them to be there.

In fairness, if you were running a business that depended on good looking women to have sex with desperate men, you would probably make damn sure you had a way to keep the women under your control. Whether with drug addiction, intimidation, or whatever means necessary. I know you probably think that legalizing it will make all these bad aspects of this particular business disappear, but I guess I just have to disagree with you. Thankfully it will most likely stay illegal.

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#3 Plzhelpmelearn
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="t3hrubikscube"]potentially we are 100% in control of our own lives.t3hrubikscube

That's only the case if we were all capable of exploring EVERY path in life.

To take an extreme example, I know a mentally retarded dude. Sure he's "in control of his own life" in the sense that he decides what to eat for breakfast (and even this isn't absolute, as he sure as hell can't afford to eat lobster), but he's retarded. He was always retarded, he's retarded now, and he'll be retarded on the day that he dies. Any job or life path which would require him to NOT be retarded is and always has been closed to him. He never had control over that aspect of his life, and he never will.

Again, an extreme example. But for everyone, certain paths are closed or opened for us before we are even born. We do NOT have unlimited potential. We START with certain things being decided for us, and then our lives continue to be molded by external forces until the day we die.

Of course. I'm just saying that within our realm of potential, we are 100% in control. We're all born into different lifestyles, locations, etc. Some of us are born with diseases or disorders. Some of us are born into poor families while others are born into rich families. I could go on but I know you get the point. My point is that within our limits, within our realm, within our norms, we are all in control of our daily activities, the way we go about things, etc. We all go about things differently, of course, due to our different personalities, beginnings, and so forth, but I believe that we're all in control of what we do.

Well, within your realm of potential is a pretty big caveat. Having the choice of eating cheerios vs eating fruit loops for breakfast does not make someone feel in control. Having the ability to choose your quality of life and ultimately choose a satisfying life are more what I am talking about.
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#4 Plzhelpmelearn
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I have no control over life and I know I never will.

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Are you upset about this, or do you accept it as a sad fact of reality?
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#5 Plzhelpmelearn
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I agree. We should also move the US caple to San Juan

VIVA LA BORICUA!!!

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#6 Plzhelpmelearn
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Their first two albums were enjoyable, but now they are just stale. I only really listen to them when I am running, because they do get your blood pumping pretty good.

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[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"]Sex is not legal per se. Consensual sex between two adults is legal. I would argue that it prostitution is not often what most would consider that.

If the prostitute agrees to it, then it is by default consensual. If she does not agree to it, then it is sex slavery, which would most certainly not be covered under legal prostitution and which is the form of "prostitution" you would very likely get if you make actual prostitution illegal.

Secondly legalizing it would almost certainly not take it out of the hands of criminal organizations, like it would with marijuana.

No, it won't automatically destroy them from the get-go. Nothing can do that. However, creating LEGAL "safe zones" for prostitution would draw potential customers AWAY from illegal prostitutes and hence thin the funding for criminal organizations because said safe zones wouldn't carry the risk of STD spread, wouldn't get you involved with the criminal underworld and would probably have some level of "quality control", hence better "services". You also wouldn't have to stick as many prostitutes in jail or whatnot - which means saving time, money and space.

The overall result is that we spend less and get something out of it (through taxation of licensed brothels), whereas criminals spend more (to keep up) and get less out of it (because they have to deal with competitors who don't have to worry about being arrested as long as they keep their hands clean). This is sort of the opposite of the situation we have right now.

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Well I guess I just have to disagree with you. While legalizing it may help create a "safer" regulated form of prostitution, I think it will also probably cause a dramatic increase in the sex slave trade since the line between prostitution and sex slavery is only in the mind of the prostitute.

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As much as I would like to say that I feel like I control my own destiny and my own decisions shape my world, deep down I feel like I am a small ship in the middle of a big storm. I am tossed every which way regardless of my desire to pursue any particular direction. So i suppose I have a more external locus of control.

What about you? Who do you think has the most control over your life?

Note:

Internal Locus of control: you are in control

External LOC: External influences are mostly in control.

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#9 Plzhelpmelearn
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unfortunately, factors such as the limits of natural resources, pride, greediness and other human deficiencies often leave no other possible resolution besides killing the opponent. Do you think there was another way to handle hitler?

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#10 Plzhelpmelearn
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[QUOTE="GmasterRED"]You have a very naive view of the world. Prostitution rarely works like that, like some kind of business deal. There are pimps and brothels, drug addicted prostitutes. It's a dark and disgusting world, not glamorous like some movies make it seem. Of course, you will retort with the stock liberatarian reply that if it were only made legal, it would be open and clean and have no problems.Pixel-Pirate

Generally when you make something illegal and force it to be run via criminal enterprises, it will be dark and dirty.

Regulation is your friend. You won't be able to stop prostitution and I see no reason to stop it. Selling is legal. Sex is legal. Why isn't selling sex legal? Better to just regulate and tax the buisness, and take revenue away from criminal groups.

Or we could just keep it illegal, give those groups their money, and claim how we're all so moral.

Sex is not legal per se. Consensual sex between two adults is legal. I would argue that it prostitution is not often what most would consider that. Secondly legalizing it would almost certainly not take it out of the hands of criminal organizations, like it would with marijuana.