[QUOTE="RECON64bit"]Yeah but not all places in the world have access to internet. If you consistently travel to a rural area like I do, then steam becomes a hassle. Whereas before the conception ofSteam all you needed was your disc and your handy dandy CD key. What was so bad about that system?

Iantheone

Massive amounts of piracy. Also if you are in part of the world that dont have internet connections then I really doubt that you will be gaming there. While Steam is annoying and sometimes just full out sucks, it is far better than the alternative. Which is DRM like Ubisofts, or developers just not making games for PC anymore and just sticking to consoles.

Trust me I would be gaming, late at night when I am not sleeping and I just want to play a game as in depth like Total War, or Civilization.

Piracy is something that will never die. Even the console games are being pirated by large. Nintendo Wii's are easily moddable by anyone with internet and an SD card, and there are of course modded Xbox 360's that can play copied games. Piracy is everywhere, and not even Steam can stop it.

[QUOTE="RECON64bit"]Yeah but not all places in the world have access to internet. If you consistently travel to a rural area like I do, then steam becomes a hassle. Whereas before the conception ofSteam all you needed was your disc and your handy dandy CD key. What was so bad about that system?guynamedbilly

From what I understand Securerom only allows 3 installs, right? Steam is better than other security systems, I admitand I may try it again in the future if I cannot resist Civ5 or if I want to play Dawn of War II and hope that the systemhas beenrefined since the time i had it for Empireand places trust in it's customers.

[QUOTE="RECON64bit"]I don't understand why people are comparing the act of putting in the disc that you legally own and verifying your game via a third party software. I really do not.

Also I am not lying because Empire total war I had to verify, I had to be online to use offline mode. Can you explain the logic in that please?

guynamedbilly

As far as putting in a disc, it's the exact same thing except you have to do it more often. If you thinking putting in a disc to check every time is less intrusive than having steam have to check it once, and then have steam running to play the game, well that's personal preference I guess and so that's a fair critique.

There were some companies that actually made it possible for you to play your game without putting the disc in all the time. I remember Relic, and EA doing this. However, I don't know what they are doing now, I think Relic went with Steam for DOW II. I prefer putting a disc in than trusting a third party software with my games. With a disc you just needed to store it.Yes it is preference for my situation.

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[QUOTE="Iantheone"] You need the disc in your computer to verify. You need Steam connected to verify your copy. They do exactly the same thing, no difference. You dont need to be online to play offline. You need to be online to change to offline. After that is done you can open and close Steam as much as you want from anywhere and it will always start in offline mode. The reason behind this is to make sure that you own everything on your account and what is installed. Iantheone

Ok, I can see where you are coming from but, they are still not the same things. You can also see putting the disc in as a necessity. Another thing, no matter where you are in the world or what computer you are using you can always play your game as longas you install it and have the CD.You can't say the same forSteam, at least not for allof it's games.

Yeah but not all places in the world have access to internet. If you consistently travel to a rural area like I do, then steam becomes a hassle. Whereas before the conception ofSteam all you needed was your disc and your handy dandy CD key. What was so bad about that system?

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[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] How is steam FORCED any more than putting a dvd in is FORCE? Yes, almost all games do not require you to be online to play. You have to be online the first time you start a game and that's it. You are simply doing it wrong or lying.Iantheone

I don't understand why people are comparing the act of putting in the disc that you legally own and verifying your game via a third party software. I really do not.

Also I am not lying because Empire total war I had to verify, I had to be online to use offline mode. Can you explain the logic in that please?

Ok, I can see where you are coming from but, they are still not the same things. You can also see putting the disc in as a necessity. Another thing, no matter where you are in the world or what computer you are using you can always play your game as longas you install it and have the CD.You can't say the same forSteam, at least not for allof it's games.

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Maybe I am not believing them but, the upcoming CIV5 is going to need persistent internet connection, and I can only asume future games will have this system as well. I can only verify my experience with Steam, and I simply did not like it because of Empire Total War. Maybe you had a better experience since you claim your games don't require persistent internet but, the fact is there are some games that do.

Maybe every Total War game will require persistent internet and that sucks. Maybe every 2K or Firaxis game will require persistent internet connection, and it very well seems like it from what I have been following of the company.

Also you have to consider that these games are $50(full games) which makes it even harder for me to trust Steam. It may be easier with a $20 or $30 game but not for a complete one.

mkaliaz

Well, we can finally agree on one thing I suppose. I also hate games that require an internet connection that might fail. Personallly, my internet is great, but I would be really pissed if we had a storm roll through here and my game shut down because the internet dropped.

One other thing though, the crappy things Ubisoft or maybe other companies in the future are doing with the internet ALWAYS ON requirements are not limited to steam only. These companies are requiring it for every copy of their software sold, including retail DVDs.

There are lots of very vocal people on this board who disagree with what Ubisoft is doing. I hope they change their stance on it.

I heard about that, and I just put blame on Steam for that. Not saying it is rightbut I stopped liking Ubisoft a long time ago, and I am actually boycotting their Wii/X360 productsat the momment, lol. I do not like what is happening with online verification. I simply want to OWN my games the way it was before.

But I guess we can put the blame on piracy.

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[QUOTE="mkaliaz"]

Also, if you have to dig out a DVD and put it in the computer to play a fully installed game in order to satisfy the game's anti-piracy checks, is that any different then Steam "asking for permission?"

...which isnt even true about steam anyways (as many people have already stated on this thread) because you do NOT need an active internet connection to start steam or play 99% of the games on it.

guynamedbilly

Putting in a DVD is the norm, I mean really it can't get anymore simple than that. Steam is a third party that is FORCED upon you.

99% percent of games? You are obviously a blind supporter of Steam so it's a waste of time to even argue with you, lol. Just enjoy your Steam, man really.

I don't understand why people are comparing the act of putting in the disc that you legally own and verifying your game via a third party software. I really do not.

Also I am not lying because Empire total war I had to verify, I had to be online to use offline mode. Can you explain the logic in that please?

[QUOTE="RECON64bit"]

[QUOTE="mkaliaz"]

Also, if you have to dig out a DVD and put it in the computer to play a fully installed game in order to satisfy the game's anti-piracy checks, is that any different then Steam "asking for permission?"

...which isnt even true about steam anyways (as many people have already stated on this thread) because you do NOT need an active internet connection to start steam or play 99% of the games on it.

mkaliaz

Putting in a DVD is the norm, I mean really it can't get anymore simple than that. Steam is a third party that is FORCED upon you.

99% percent of games? You are obviously a blind supporter of Steam so it's a waste of time to even argue with you, lol. Just enjoy your Steam, man really.

OK, why dont you give me a list of the steam games that require a PERSISTENT internet connection to play. Obviously multi-player only games dont count.

I can think of about 3-5 Ubisoft games and thats it. Yes, so 3-5 games out of hundreds (i think the total on steam is over 600 now ). That is why i say 99%.

Clearly you still dont believe all the people in this thread who are telling you INTERNET CONNECTION NOT REQUIRED to start up steam and start your games.

Maybe I am not believing them but, the upcoming CIV5 is going to need persistent internet connection, and I can only asume future games will have this system as well. I can only verify my experience with Steam, and I simply did not like it because of Empire Total War. Maybe you had a better experience since you claim your games don't require persistent internet but, the fact is there are some games that do.

Maybe every Total War game will require persistent internet and that sucks. Maybe every 2K or Firaxis game will require persistent internet connection, and it very well seems like it from what I have been following of the company.

Also you have to consider that these games are $50(full games) which makes it even harder for me to trust Steam. It may be easier with a $20 or $30 game but not for a complete one.

A game is never yours. When you purchase it you purchase the user agreement and the rights to use it. You never had it.MrLions

Oh? At least I could play the game whenever I wanted to and wherever I wanted to without a third party such as Steam. I prefer it that way.

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[QUOTE="mkaliaz"]

I wasnt aware that Total War required a persistent internet connection. I thought that was only a few Ubisoft games. Otherwise you can start Steam in offline mode. If your internet is down when you try to start steam, it will ASK YOU if you want to start in offline mode. Furthermore, if your internet drops while playing a game, Steam does not shut your game down. I know this because it has happened to me many times.

mkaliaz

Excuse me? If it were not for the problems I described I would still be playing Empire Total war instead of ROME. Steam has made my games crash on me on several occasions and has made them stop working. You may not believe me but It has happened to me and I don't care if you say otherwise.

Why is it that, whenever someone says their computer crashes it HAS to be the owner's fault? That's not always the case. I KNOW %100 that Steam causes the problems.

....right of course. STEAM crashed your program. There is no way it could have been anything else, huh?

Its funny because my internet has dropped many times while playing Steam games and my game never crashes because of it.

Why is it that, whenever someone says their computer crashes it HAS to be the owner's fault? That's not always the case. I KNOW %100 that Steam causes the problems.