@njs72: If you want to be picked persnickety able "art" then just replace it with "creative endevor". Point is: if you try to make something new and interesting, sometimes about half the people will love it and half the people will hate it. That's what's happening here: every decision you hate is one someone else loves.

@kelendil87: I think your post got autocorrected into nonsense.

@cfscorpio: I said *its* fans.

There's a difference between surprises that have no setup--like a sudden Rey-Luke love scene--and surprises that rely on tropes we've internalized by watching Star Wars, only to turn those tropes on their head. One is careless, one is careful. One only serves to shock, the other takes the universe in New directions. It breaks free of the story-telling devices that had become anchors to Star Wars films.

Now look, I get it if it was too different, if the iconoclasma was too much, too quick, if you spent two years speculating about Rey's parentage only to be last down with what you got. And that's fine. I just disagree. I don't have to act like there's nothing bad in the movie or that you're sister is too stupid see this obviously great movie for what it is. It has its good points, it's bad points and it's divise points.

@cfscorpio: Pretty much everything you hated, its fans and the critics loved. Loved how it subverted expectations: the failed caper, the non-parentage reveal, offing Snoke early, Kylo's non-redemption. Whereas TFA used Star Wars conventions to telegraph every plot point, TLJ used them to set you up for surprises instead.

I also loved Luke showing Kylo up at the end, and the Rey-Kylo interactions. Liked the the new force powers, that Jedi are basically invulnerable except to other Jedi, the hyperspace kamikaze, the bombing run and even the porgs.

There are definite problems with the movie, but there are also things it does really well and there are things it does that piss some people off and elate others. It's frustrating that the haters simply can't see that.

@njs72: I can pretty much guarantee that every "bad decision" you hate about the movie is a reason someone else loves it. Believe it or not, that's how art goes sometimes: some people love it, others hate it.

@juninhotorres: Rian Johnson tried to make a truly original Star Wars movie. There was really no way he could have done that without having to defend it against half the fan base.

He also keeps defending it because he's one of the most active directors on social media. He'd defend it this often even if it got criticized half as much as it has.

@deakenblack: No, that wouldn't work. If Poe enlists a droid rather than an untrustworthy rogue in his plan, then the resistance escape plan is not discovered, they make it to the planet undetected and none of the scenes on Crait happen.

Like it or not, think it could be better executed or not, the plot would be *less coherent* if you cut it out. It also would undermine the

@cfscorpio: As a matter of fact I do, but I didn't there. I simply said "lots of people criticized it" is not a good criticism.

@cfscorpio: Which of that did I deny?

@cfscorpio: Sure, it's widespread, but it's the content of the criticisms that matter. Spoiler alert: lots of people on the internet can be wrong.