If PS4 Pro is half of the ass, then what is the 'full' ass? Scorpio? Have you seen one, yet? Have you used one, yet? Does it have any Scorpio-optimised games, yet?
The PS4 Pro exists. I've seen one, and used one. It has PS4 Pro-optimised games that I have played. It's a real thing, that can be appraised in the real world, both in isolation and in comparison with other games machines. And I'll take something that exists over something that doesn't, any day.
Scorpio could be fabulous. Personally, I suspect it will be a bit better than the PS4 Pro. Then, in 2018, Sony will start talking about the upcoming PS5, and Scorpio will begin to feel "half-assed" - and we can all meet up on the GameSpot forums, and have the same conversation all over again.
@spo562: If the question's the same, so's the answer, dude!
For a more complete answer: mileage will vary according to a number of variables - such as viewing distance, eyesight, positioning of the screen in relation to other light sources, and the quality of your television. But - all other things being equal - yes, you will have a better gaming experience with a PS4 Pro when playing games patched to take advantage of the improved hardware.
@t1000_v2: I think Sony are trying to keep the build-cost of the PS4 Pro down in an attempt to undercut Scorpio as aggressively as possible, and to get as many units sold before Scorpio comes out as they can. Sony well understand that being 'first to market' yields long-term gains, after getting their ass handed to them by the Xbox 360 last generation.
@albertojedi: Both are fairly-priced, for what they offer. Also, a word of potential caution re the Xbox One S and its 4K Blu-ray drive:
I don't know whether you've ever used the Xbox One as a disc-player, but it's terrible. Or, at least, it was around a year ago, which was the last time that I tried to watch a movie on it. My girlfriend and I were watching a DVD (I'm not even talking about Blu-ray, here... DVD is 20th century technology), and the audio-sync was so far out-of-whack that, honestly, it ruined the evening. We had to go to another room to use a different DVD player, because it was so insufferable.
I'm not able to say that this remains a problem, because I haven't tried since last Christmas. But nobody should get too excited about the presence of a 4K Blu-ray drive in any console without checking to see whether it works properly. Unless you're one of those folk who 'can't tell the difference' when audio-sync screws-up... in which event, lucky you.
@ArchoNils2: I'm not trying to prove you wrong, friend. Just expressing an opinion. One that you're free to disagree with, and/or completely ignore.
I'm not trying to be clever with you (believe me, in this topic especially, I'm not qualified to...), but what I'm saying is that "looking at the chip alone" is pointless. The chip is just a chip. It doesn't do anything without software.
You'd be right to say that the 3DMark score of the PS4 Pro's GPU is nothing to wet your pants over (though I expect it would be pretty solid... has this been done anywhere yet?), but I think it's inappropriate to make too much of that.
@ArchoNils2: My happiness doesn't hinge upon it, mate. And you're absolutely right that the equation becomes massively more complex when you step away from expressing GPU power in terms of, for instance, a discrete measure like 3DMark.
I suppose all that I'm saying is that what GPUs need to do is move graphics - and I place far greater stock in seeing graphics move than I do admiring the length of a coloured bar on a graph... and I'm a PC-owner too, so I'm not speaking theoretically and/or from a defensive position as a console-owner.
Consider this, if only briefly: when a new GPU is released for PC (and for Mac the situation is even worse...), the drivers are crap, and games run badly until the driver software is optimised. What good is it to me that my new, £600 graphics card has a 3DMark of 16billion if it can't run any of my games...?
QED - in my opinion - software optimisation is mission-critical to the discussion. Not that I want to go to war over it, you understand...!
@ArchoNils2: Hardware without software is just a circuit-board. It is not credible to claim that discussion of software-optimisation is irrelevant to this topic.
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