Again, Cake shops, like any business, have the right to refuse their services/goods. Homosexuals, like any other human being, do not have an innate right to buy goods from that specific cake shop. No rights were violated, aside from the cake shop owner's right.Nibroc420

Discrimination in Public Accommodation 
A place of public accommodation is defined in state law as any place that offers the public accommodations, advantages, facilities or privileges, whether in the nature of goods, services, lodging, amusements or otherwise. It is illegal to discriminate in places of public accommodation on the basis of race, sex (including pregnancy), sexual orientation, national origin, religion, marital status, physical or mental disability, or age (18 years of age and older).

I want to know one thing that people have overlooked in this whole fiasco. Where did the couple get married since Oregon still has a law that states marriage is between a man and a woman.

MARRIAGE

106.010 Marriage as civil contract; age of parties. Marriage is a civil contract entered into in person by males at least 17 years of age and females at least 17 years of age, who are otherwise capable, and solemnized in accordance with ORS 106.150. [Amended by 1965 c.422 §1; 1975 c.583 §1]

While the state now has a domestic partnership law in place (2007 and is when discrimination against sexual orientation was made illegal too) so the state in and of itself still is discriminitory. By not allowing gay marriages, the state is in no postion to tell a business that it cannot discriminate. The laws are contradictory if you really look at it.

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I more often prefer a world design of "level zones", where certain regions are characterized by the creatures that inhabit them, and what kind of threat they pose based on your own level. This is really what gives you a sense of progression and accomplishment.

The challenge is more satisfying when instead of the same enemies scaling with you, the game introduces larger more fiersome types that you gaugue your progress by comparison of the enemies which once posed a threat to you, and can now go toe to toe with and eventually surpass them. Like going from rats, to wolves and low rate bandits, to bears, then trolls, armored knights, giant spiders, wraiths... right up to that majestic dragon (or what ever the sci-fi equiveleant is for the given world).

In open worlds, sure you might stumble into a region inhabited by vicious orcs too strong for you. So you retreat and find a region more suitable to your current strength. Then work your way up that you can revisit that orc encampment with the satisfaction of beating what you once had to fear. And on the cycle goes.

It's just more rewarding this way when you can compare different enemy classes that the smaller ones are still around along side the bigger ones that gives you that kind of a "challenge album" to visibly reflect on your character growth, which is harder to see when it's just the same enemies with a little more padding on them.AdobeArtist

Anyway, can you describe the process of level scaling making the player less versatile in more detail? That sounds like an interesting kind of design issue.Articuno76

The problem with the other extreme (the game levelling up with you) is that it defeats the point of levelling up, or at least reduces it to simply making you more versatile (which honestly, isn't that fun).Articuno76

This debate is exactly what I need, I learn alot this way, my friends just don't get me so When a topic like this pops up I gotta milk it for all its worth. :) .Lulu_Lulu

You have an inability to spot Role Playing elements in games that are not RPG's because you have a very strict/precise definition of what an RPG is. To you the concept doesn't change or evolve. Tell me about that open mind again. . . . .Lulu_Lulu

Also I'm going to stick my neck out and say Every RPG is a Hybrid RPG. The concept of an RPG as a single genre simply doesn't exist to me, simply because every RPG I know of uses a platform (I don't mean system platforms) I recognise. For example, Mass Effect, is not an RPG, Its a TPS with Role Playing Elements, and Final Fantasy isn't an RPG, its a Strategy game with Role Playing elements. I do the samething with Openworld games, to me GTA IV isn't an Openworld game, its an action game with an openworld formula. I know Its crazy, but to me RPG/OpenWorld are just Formulas to me, not genres.Lulu_Lulu

Actualy some detective work is very essential to charm/intimidate someone, the moment you see/hear someone you are gathering information and using it to decide how to continue. But yep you are indeed correct, I want those role playing mechanics swapped for something more. . . . .uhm. . . . . . more Heavy Rainy or more. . . . .uhm The Walking Deadish. . . . . You know, something more adventuresque :) . Just thinkin about it turns my knees in to Jelly :P !Lulu_Lulu

[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"]Let me use a scenario in ME2 to counter another scenario in ME 2. SPOILERS AHEAD: At some point, Samara will ask you to help her deal with Morinth, in order to do that, the player needs to charm her, not Shepard. To do that you need to gather information and do certain things to catch her attention (theres certain things Shepard does for the player but thats only because Bioware is lazy), after you get her attention the player can then use the information collected (like puzzle pieces) to charm the Pants off her, the Paragon/Renegade System didn't have an effect. Shepard may have done the talking but the player did the actual charming. This differs greatly from intimidating/charming your crew when there was a dispute, the player didn't even have to spend time to gather information from the crew, the player could simply get their Paragon/Renegade points somewhere else and use them to make Shepard do the Charming & Talking. Once you pick that blue option Shepard pulls a solution (the player doesnt know of) out of thin air.dreman999

I mean look at many countdowns on Youtube and you will see many of these names in the top 5 or number 1.chocolate1325

What makes some Youtube videos any more credible or important than the collective opinion of some portion of gamers who... obviously... disagree with them?

Maybe you are right about your choices, maybe not, but supporting your claim by saying that there are some other people out there, who made some videos about their preferences, who agree with you and therefore your / their opinion is the right one, has to be one of the weakest supportive arguments I have ever read. 

Guns don't Kill people, People kill people. Guns are just the tools used to perform the Task. The same applies to the Arkham Games, its the player who beats up inmates in the dead of night, Batman and the controller are just tools used to accomplish the task.Lulu_Lulu

I think the process goes like: player makes a decision then player executes the decision. In an RPG its more like: player makes a decision then character/avatar executes the decision on behalf of the player, in an RPG the avatar is more like a tool with a mandatory automatic feature that engages after the decision has been made/confirmed, its like a gun that spares its owner the need of pulling the trigger or even aiming (the execution) after the owner has already chosen a target (the decision). An action RPG is some weird combination of the two, so weird that I can't cum up with a methaphore for it (metaphore isn't the word I'm looking for, but I can't remember the other word so it will have to do).

As for the Military shooter with classes, if the game is well Balanced then it wouldn't bother me at all. I am not patronized by a game telling me I can't weild explosives if I chose a medic or scout, infact the concept intrigues me.Lulu_Lulu

just technical limitations of the controller, they gave the player as much controll over Batman as they could using what little they had, samething with L.A. Noire, they did their best with Adventure game design, Graphics, control scheme and Motion Capture to make Detective Work as player oriented as the technology would allow, Believe me, when VR Kicks Off I'l be on the sh!t.Lulu_Lulu

Also That part with the asari was well done, thats the part of the game where Shepard's Paragon/Renegade level aren't stopping the player from making choice. Unfortunately thanks to the flawed system, the points you receive from either choice, will play a role in a completely unrelated situation like Dealing with Wrex on Virmire. not to mention when presented with an Ultimatum (like the Squad disputes in ME2), theres usually A special colour coded option that resolves the entire situation with no downsides (Deus ex machina, anyone ?), its kinda hard to be dissapointed about the ending if the game was Broken from the get go in ME1.

Every reply you made in this post is just arguing semantics. I only offered Batman as an example of player skill and that only, It won't hold up to RPG Scrutiny because it simply isn't one. If I wanted to offer an example of player oriented role playing I'd name a Military Shooting game with multiple classes, Medic, Scout, Demolition Expert, etc. Also if the player sucks at something and aren't progressing well then too f#cking bad, Just like Dark Souls Batman isn't going to patronize you with attribute upgrades to make it seem your improving when you're definately not and neither does LA Noire's lie detecting design either , no wonder gaming is considerd Juvenile, they think we're f#cking 5 years old and still want praise from mommy for doing the same sh!t the same way and in extreme cases when somebody does it for us. I don't like being told I'm getting better when I'm not, I hate being Patronized! I'm not exaggerating, sh!t like this seriously pisses me off. Maybe I just don't understand why somebody would wana play as a Character they have very little control of.Lulu_Lulu