[QUOTE="MarloStanfield"]

Rare is a terrible developer. Banjo only got an 8.5 because it was scored by the worst reviewer on this site, it's inferior garbage jst like Perfect Dark Zero

Rare's only success this gen has been Viva Pinata. A quality sim that is too complicated for the young audience it is aimed at and too cutesy for the teenage boys who buy 360's.

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

It boggles my mind:? When people say they have fallen? Since when has solid AA's and an AAA been bad:roll: Not to mention a whole lot of people really liked Kameo a solid high AA. Go figure?

[QUOTE="MarloStanfield"]

Rare is a terrible developer. Banjo only got an 8.5 because it was scored by the worst reviewer on this site, it's inferior garbage jst like Perfect Dark Zero

Rare's only success this gen has been Viva Pinata. A quality sim that is too complicated for the young audience it is aimed at and too cutesy for the teenage boys who buy 360's.

Ninja-Hippo

I beleive Xplay gave it a 5 out of 5 also.

It's just blind ps3 haters saying otherwise. Upset I guess for the abysmal LBP sales:lol:

You need to add a Tie pick in the poll.

Both games are spectacular. Only reason Mass Effect did not get AAA is becuase it has some slight technical issues.

Otherwise both games are 2 of the best ever. If you took both these gems and they made love you would create a GOD.

[QUOTE="blahzor"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

what this thread needs is:

STIKA'S LIST OF RARE DOES NOT SUCK

Scores from ALL RARE games from the SNES to the xbox 360 (using game rankings)

16- bit era:

Battle toads (SNES) : 78%

Battle toads (gen) : 72%

Battletoads and double dragon: (snes) : 59%

Battletoads and double dragon (gen): 65%

Battle toads (GB) : 77.7%

Battle toads and double dragon (GB): 65%

Battletoads in ragnarock's world (GB) : 75%

Donkey kong land (GB) : 71%

Donkey Kong land 2 (gb) : 79%

Donkey kong land 3 ( 82%)

Killer instinct (GB) :25%

Killer instinct (SNES): (80%)

The amazing spider-man (73%)

Beetlejuice (GB): 55%

Fortress of fear (GB): 20%

Sneaky snakes (GB) 53%

Championship-pro-am (Gen): 80%

Donkey kong country (SNES): 92%

Donkey kong country 2 (SNES): 92%

Donkey kong countru 3 (snes): 85%

Average score: 69%

N64 era:

Perfect Dark (N 64): 95%

Perfect Dark (GBC): 66%

Donkey kong country (GBC): 90%

Conker's pocket tales (GBC): 55%

mickey's speedway USA (GBC): 81%

Mickey's speedway USA (N64): 68%

Donkey Kong 64 (N64): 88%

Banjo-Kazooeie (N64): 92%

Banjo-Tooie (N64): 90%

Blast corps (N64): 89%

Conker's bad fur day (N64): 89%

Diddy Kong Racing (N64): 89%

Golden eye 007 (N64): 95%

Jet Force Gemini (N54): 80%

Killer Instinct Gold (N64): 74%

Total average score: 82.7%

Gamecube-Xbox era:

Starfox Adventures (GC) : 80%

Banjo Pilot (GBA): 66%

Banjo Kazooeie: Grunty's revenge (GBA): 73%

SabreWulf (GBA): 74%

Donkey Kong Contry (GBA): 78%

It''s Mr. Pants (GBA): 76%

Donkey Kong country 2 (GBA): 81%

Donkey Kong Country 3 (GBA): 75.1%

Conker: Live and Reloaded (xbox): 79%

Grabbed by the Ghoulies (xbox) 70%

total Score: 75.2

Current Gen

Perfect Dark Zero (xbox 360): 81%

Viva Pinata (X360): 85%

viva Pinata 2 (X360): 83%

Viva pinata (PC): 79%

Viva Pinata (DS): 83%

Jet Pac: Refueled: (X360): 73%

Kameo (X360): 81%

Banjo 3: 78%

Average Score: 80.4%

Final Score:

1º N64 RARE: 82.7%

2º Current RARE: 80.4%

3º Last gen RARE: 75.2%

4º 16-Bit RARE: 69%

skektek

Why are people in this thread accepting this as "ownage"?

Averaging their review scores per generation is very misleading. Sure, they put out tons of crap in the 8/16 bit era.. but they also put out a handful of games that obliterate anything they've done in the last two gens.. and that's what matters.

We shouldn't be looking at their overall average but rather at their best games per generation - and to a lesser extent, the number of good games. Their best games on the SNes and N64 are astounding. They are excellent show cases of game design. ON the last gen systems and the 360? they are just good(or even great) games.. they aren't nearly as memorable, groundbreaking, revolutionary, or masterfully designed. That's why alot of people have a problem with rare recently, they used to poop magic! some of the best games of their respective generations. Not so much anymore.

ALso.. you're using gamerankings for nes and snes games? IN some of those games cases there are only 1 or 2 reviews.. that's hardly convincing evidence of the quality of those games. What makes those review scores so reliable that you can use them to compare with current games(did people even review games properly back then?)? ANd, haven't we already accepted a long time ago on system wars that scores don't equal a better game. Some of those games are better then those scores imply(or worse in some cases).

With all of that said.. i certainly do not agree with people who think rare is a poor developer. There games this gen have been pretty good, and imo are a step up from last generation. PD0 is nothing special, but viva piniata and kameo are both unique games. They are good developers, they just aren't crapping magic like they used to.

People have you ever stopped and thought. How it was much easier to say hey these games are GREAT on N64. It's becuase the N64 had only a hand full of good games and yeah mostly RARE!!!. It was becuase the N64 was mostly overshadowed by the greatness of the PS1 both in sales and great games. So it's so much easier for most of you to think so foundly of RARE back then becuase there was not nearly as much else to look at compared to PS1.

Same thing for this gen with RARE. There games are great but it's hardser to look at them becuase WE ALL KNOW THE 360 IS A GREAT GAME PRODUCING MONSTER.

Well there were some good games and some weren't up to par with the rest of the list in my opinion, but overall yeah it was a good move by Microsoft to get Rare on its side. Perfect Dark might of gotten a good score here on gamespot, but it was just average in my opinion and the rest were above average which were good for any xbox 360 owners. What I liked most was Kameo for this gen by Rare.-DarthMaul-

When we you guys fully understand why PDZ got a 9.0. It is becuase it was a LAUNCH GAME!!! And it had eceptional online and coop features. Yeah the story was a tad bland. But again It had great features right out of the box for a LAUNCH GAME PEOPLE!!! Oh and by the way some great graphics.

what this thread needs is:

STIKA'S LIST OF RARE DOES NOT SUCK

Scores from ALL RARE games from the SNES to the xbox 360 (using game rankings)

16- bit era:

Battle toads (SNES) : 78%

Battle toads (gen) : 72%

Battletoads and double dragon: (snes) : 59%

Battletoads and double dragon (gen): 65%

Battle toads (GB) : 77.7%

Battle toads and double dragon (GB): 65%

Battletoads in ragnarock's world (GB) : 75%

Donkey kong land (GB) : 71%

Donkey Kong land 2 (gb) : 79%

Donkey kong land 3 ( 82%)

Killer instinct (GB) :25%

Killer instinct (SNES): (80%)

The amazing spider-man (73%)

Beetlejuice (GB): 55%

Fortress of fear (GB): 20%

Sneaky snakes (GB) 53%

Championship-pro-am (Gen): 80%

Donkey kong country (SNES): 92%

Donkey kong country 2 (SNES): 92%

Donkey kong countru 3 (snes): 85%

Average score: 69%

N64 era:

Perfect Dark (N 64): 95%

Perfect Dark (GBC): 66%

Donkey kong country (GBC): 90%

Conker's pocket tales (GBC): 55%

mickey's speedway USA (GBC): 81%

Mickey's speedway USA (N64): 68%

Donkey Kong 64 (N64): 88%

Banjo-Kazooeie (N64): 92%

Banjo-Tooie (N64): 90%

Blast corps (N64): 89%

Conker's bad fur day (N64): 89%

Diddy Kong Racing (N64): 89%

Golden eye 007 (N64): 95%

Jet Force Gemini (N54): 80%

Killer Instinct Gold (N64): 74%

Total average score: 82.7%

Gamecube-Xbox era:

Starfox Adventures (GC) : 80%

Banjo Pilot (GBA): 66%

Banjo Kazooeie: Grunty's revenge (GBA): 73%

SabreWulf (GBA): 74%

Donkey Kong Contry (GBA): 78%

It''s Mr. Pants (GBA): 76%

Donkey Kong country 2 (GBA): 81%

Donkey Kong Country 3 (GBA): 75.1%

Conker: Live and Reloaded (xbox): 79%

Grabbed by the Ghoulies (xbox) 70%

total Score: 75.2

Current Gen

Perfect Dark Zero (xbox 360): 81%

Viva Pinata (X360): 85%

viva Pinata 2 (X360): 83%

Viva pinata (PC): 79%

Viva Pinata (DS): 83%

Jet Pac: Refueled: (X360): 73%

Kameo (X360): 81%

Banjo 3: 78%

Average Score: 80.4%

Final Score:

1º N64 RARE: 82.7%

2º Current RARE: 80.4%

3º Last gen RARE: 75.2%

4º 16-Bit RARE: 69%

st1ka

Also Banjo Kazooie was guaranteed at least a B score just for being called Banjo Kazooie It just like how Zelda is always guaranteed AAspectravoid

All I know when I first played the demo I was like Meh.

Then I played it again and really tried a few things and it clicked in my head. I said WOW this game is shweeeettttt. Best $39.99 you can spend on any system right now and with the alltime great classis included. It's a BARN BURNER BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont think this thread would hold much ground with most people......Banjo didnt do well at alot of sites, PDZ was an awful game and would probably get a 6.5 if it was released right now. I'll give you Viva Pinata and Kameo thoughUptown

Now GS overrates games:? As we know GS is as harsh as it gets for reviews.

Giant Bomb gave it a 5 stars

IGN. Gave it a 8.3

It's a great game PERIOD

PDZ 9.0 AAA launch game great game great graphics great coop and online play for a launch game.

PDZ 2 is on it's way and It will most defiantly bring the name back to true glory.

Kameo 8.7 AA Great game with great graphics for an early launch game.

Viva Pinata 1 8.3 2 8.5 Both have been great games and a good new franchise.

Banjo Nuts & Bolts 8.5 AA Taken chances took the franchise in a new direction and it has payed off great game with SPECTACULAR GRAPHICS. Oh and only $39.99 and a free copy of Banjo Kazooie in HD:shock:. Yeah don't get any better. Thanks Rare!!!

With speculation of a new Killer Instinct. WOW yeah and among others and this is even referenced in Banjo.

Bottum line is MS is kicking *** and taking names. And only a true blind fanboy would turn there nose to MS and Rare. By the way the new Live update is PHENOMINAL only haters would say other wise.

Rare is BACK and guess what MS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Them.