[QUOTE="Solid_Snake56"]

[QUOTE="SlavaOtechestvo"]

So correct me then. Stating something without logisitical back-up is the equivelant of running out of arguements.

SlavaOtechestvo

Man...your pulling numbers from out of nowhere...im a history PHD and im telling you...with the italian front opening up...the loss of 250,000 troops in Africa greatly reduced German field formations so in 1943 when the Russians were able to rotate units from the front...trading battered units for fresh units that had time to re fit in the hinterland the Germans were using consistently outgunned forces and you have to remember that the German economy did not get to total war footing until 1944...Russian production of war materiel greatly outstripped that of Germany.

I more than doubt you have any history experience since the German field formations were already getting hammeredbylate1941and early 1942 at the Moscow outskirts. And no, there were entire marshal divisions that marched from the front to Berlin without any sort of regeneration whatsoever. The Russians simply launched a large, two pathed war machine going Westwards with losses far smaller thanthe Germans'.

Russia's ability to outproduce the Germans in a skilled fasion showed their technical superiority - simplicity. This factor is why Russian military hardware was the best. As in the words of Georgi Shpagin, "complexity is easy; simplicity is difficult".

I'm pulling numbers from a collage of sources,some webistesbut mainlybooks from various authors like Hiroaki Kuromiya, Glanz, Keegan and many Russian authors.

[QUOTE="SlavaOtechestvo"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Snake56"]

Very wrong

Solid_Snake56

So correct me then. Stating something without logisitical back-up is the equivelant of running out of arguements.

Man...your pulling numbers from out of nowhere...im a history PHD and im telling you...with the italian front opening up...the loss of 250,000 troops in Africa greatly reduced German field formations so in 1943 when the Russians were able to rotate units from the front...trading battered units for fresh units that had time to re fit in the hinterland the Germans were using consistently outgunned forces and you have to remember that the German economy did not get to total war footing until 1944...Russian production of war materiel greatly outstripped that of Germany.

I more than doubt you have any history experience since the German field formations were already getting hammeredbylate1941and early 1942 at the Moscow outskirts. And no, there were entire marshal divisions that marched from the front to Berlin without any sort of regeneration whatsoever. The Russians simply launched a large, two pathed war machine going Westwards with losses far smaller thanthe Germans'.

Russia's ability to outproduce the Germans in a skilled fasion showed their technical superiority - simplicity. This factor is why Russian military hardware was the best. As in the words of Georgi Shpagin, "complexity is easy; simplicity is difficult".

[QUOTE="SlavaOtechestvo"]

[QUOTE="Solid_Snake56"]

Also where are you getting these numbers?....

Solid_Snake56

So what if this offensive was in '45 or '44? German military advances in Russia were in 41-early 42, when Russians were unprepared, under-equipped, out-numberedand unorganized for wartime. Even by 1943, there were more Germans in Russia than Russian troops.

Very wrong

So correct me then. Stating something without logisitical back-up is the equivelant of running out of arguements.

[QUOTE="Solid_Snake56"]

[QUOTE="SlavaOtechestvo"] =I cannot believe how you define life through video-games. That is mere B.S, the Russian human-wave attack is just a Western myth. Look at Vistula Oder offensive or look at Jassy Kishinev Offensive, where Soviets lost 13,000 while germans lost 250,000. Look at Bagration offensive, where Germans lost 4 times as many people as Soviets. In the end of the war, Germans were killed 2.4 times more often on average than Soviets.Solid_Snake56

Ummm your using an offensive that occured in 1945 as an example...the Germans were outnumbered 10 to 1 so I think thats inaccurate

Also where are you getting these numbers?....

So what if this offensive was in '45 or '44? German military advances in Russia were in 41-early 42, when Russians were unprepared, under-equipped, out-numberedand unorganized for wartime. Even by 1943, there were more Germans in Russia than Russian troops.

[QUOTE="SlavaOtechestvo"]

How were Russians the 'worst'? Out of the 27 million Soviet casualties, 'only' 8,67 million were soldiers. Total Axis dead on the Eastern Front were 7, 98 million, consider also the cowardly intervention of the non-aggression pact, German military superiority in the beginning of the war, many anti-Communist movements and high, surprised Soviet casualties in the beginning of the war. The Russians destroyed 75-80% of the Third Reich in both military and territory wise. The Russians were the best, and had legendary artillery I might add. Not even close to how bad the Japanese or Americans were; Americans had the highest friendly casualties than any other country in the war.

Well the Russian soldiers were mindless automatons

All the Russians did was send out constant waves of disposible soldiers. Every other soldier got a gun, and the soldiers inbetween got the ammo.

Jfisch93

How were Russians the 'worst'? Out of the 27 million Soviet casualties, 'only' 8,67 million were soldiers. Total Axis dead on the Eastern Front were 7, 98 million, consider also the cowardly intervention of the non-aggression pact, German military superiority in the beginning of the war, many anti-Communist movements and high, surprised Soviet casualties in the beginning of the war. The Russians destroyed 75-80% of the Third Reich in both military and territory wise. The Russians were the best, and had legendary artillery I might add. Not even close to how bad the Japanese or Americans were; Americans had the highest friendly casualties than any other country in the war.

I think the Russians were the best soldiers because they showed no fear in death orsorrow for the enemy, they protected their nation in a manner that was never witnessed before in the annals of history. They were able to resist and destroy the largest invasion in history,meanwhile caught by suprise, terror and quick loss of territory.Yet from 1943-45, the Red Army was every inch the Wehrmacht ever was, even more.

Max Hoffman: "Russians... they are fanatics, not men, but some kind of cast iron creatures. They never get tired, and are not afraid of fire."

STALKER Shadow of Chernobyl, it's literally the best computer gameon the free market, not unless you mod and patch it of course.

Definately NOT worth getting, Medieval 2 Total War is practically better in every straint, including graphics. There are too many mods for MTW2 and it's a ton more fun to play. Empire is goodfor maybe 1-2 days of playing, until you realize how bad it is compared to other Total War seriesproducts.