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#1 Sleepwalk7
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My first sentence is supported by the following sentences. I tell you spacetime is meaningless and then in the following sentences to describe how distance and time are both irrelevant.

br0kenrabbit

To me, it still seems like the statement "spacetime is meaningless" is hyperbolic nonsense that is being used as a way to sweep your lack of knowledge of the subject under the rug. And now you've done it again with, "distance and time are both irrelevant." In what way? You didn't even define "time" for us, so how are we supposed to follow what you're writing? For instance, I define time as merely events or changes. Using this definition, even quantum mechanics would be susceptible to time (because in quantum mechanics there are events or changes). Although stating that quantum mechanics is susceptible to time is a bit too strong. I don't mean to say that time is some sort of entity.

And to answer your next question, one has to define something. And then you get into the whole 'empty space' debacle.

Well, a vacuum isn't really nothing. That's a fact. And it's also not what we're talking about there. You claimed that in quantum mechanics particles can come out of nothing. That's incorrect, unless you're equivocating "nothing" with "quantum field" or "vacuum." When people hear or read, "Particles can come from nothing," they think nonbeing. And I don't know of any scientific literature that espouses such a view.

In String Theory terms, our membrane isn't isolated but the stuff attached to it is. There's a theory that both gravity and the quantum field are generated in extraspacial dimensions.

Outside our membrane spacetime isn't necessary.

It's interesting to watch atheists posit extra-dimensions or other universes without any supporting empirical evidence, because man of these same atheists believe, "God doesn't exist because there is no supporting empirical evidence for His existence."

Indeed, it is theorized that if you could view our 3D+1 world from outside the membranes, it would all appear as a singularity (even time). It just appears to stretch endlessly in all directions because we're trapped inside it.

Yes, this would be the B-theory of time. However, one would still have to explain why there exists a four-dimensional space-time block.

You suggest that everything that exists came from elsewhere, so where did God come from?

Finally! You're actually talking about the argument now. It's everything that begins to exist has a cause, not everything that exists has a cause. God would be an entity that never began to exist, but has always existed. To how illustrate what this means, some mathematicians, logicians, and philosophers believe logic and mathematical concepts are things (and I use this term loosely) that have always existed. They're what is known as necessary beings (beings that cannot fail to exist). The opposing type of being would be a contingent being; a being that doesn't or didn't have to exist.

If God is eternal, then that means he spent just as much time before creation existing as he will after the end of the world, so this begs the question: what took him so long to create, and what was he doing all that time?

 

Again, you would have to define what you mean by "time." In my view, God has always existed and "time" didn't come into being until God's first creation. Within this view, it becomes sort of meaningless to ask what God was doing prior to creation. But I will say He was existing, perfectly, possessing the attributes: omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience, and omnibenevolence.
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#2 Sleepwalk7
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[QUOTE="VaguelyTagged"][QUOTE="Sleepwalk7"] 2. If the universe has an explanation of its existence, that explanation is God.

and this is supposed to support the idea of existence of a deity?

That would be one premise in a deductive argument that supports the existence of God, yes.
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#3 Sleepwalk7
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[QUOTE="Sleepwalk7"][QUOTE="ad1x2"]

Here comes 500 serious replies to this obviously flamebait troll topic...

ad1x2

This isn't a "flamebait troll topic."

I provided a few good arguments for the existence of God and I'm interested in what the community here thinks of them.

Posting arguments of why you believe God exists in OT falls somewhere between posting why you think weed needs to be illegal forever and posting that Justin Bieber makes better music than every rock/metal band in existance.

Why is that?
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#4 Sleepwalk7
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At the quantum level, spacetime is meaningless. A particle can be here and there, and everywhere at once, all at the same time. Things can happen before whatever makes that thing happen happens (think: ripples in the pond BEFORE you throw the rock in). Particles are all the time popping into existence from nothing. Impossible things can happen, like particles moving through a barrier that they can't classically pass through. Then you have the Einstein-Rosen bridge where distance is meaningless, then there's the whole entanglement phenomena, and so on.

The quantum world knows no necessity and routinely disproves its own order.

 

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Right off the bat we have a problem because you've made several claims here without any sources or evidence. I don't mean this in an insulting way or anything, but it seems like you've read or listened to some popular literature on quantum mechanics and now think you're an expert. 1. For example, you wrote, "At the quantum level, space time is meaningless." This is a statement which appears to be logically incoherent. What do you mean when you say on the quantum level, space time is meaningless? Because space time would include the quantum field, which is where quantum fluctuations take place. Prior to the existence of space time, there wasn't a reality described as quantum mechanics. 2. You wrote that in quantum mechanics, particles appear from nothing. But that's false. The "nothing" you're describing isn't a metaphysical nothing. It isn't literally nothing, in other words. The nothing you're describing is called the quantum field--which is very much the opposite of nothing. In fact, if it were really nothing, then there wouldn't be anyway to predict, observe, etc., (i.e. do science), which would mean quantum mechanics would be metaphysics. In any case, the quantum field--or the reality described as quantum mechanics--didn't always exist. This raises the question: How was it produced then?
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#5 Sleepwalk7
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Here comes 500 serious replies to this obviously flamebait troll topic...

ad1x2
This isn't a "flamebait troll topic." I provided a few good arguments for the existence of God and I'm interested in what the community here thinks of them.
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#6 Sleepwalk7
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That and also should i feel embarresed about asking my mom about going to a dermontolist? I mean acne is common in teens and im 16 and i want to have a clear face by next school year.  So like should i be ashamed of myself and embarrassed toward my parents about telling them? I mean it is something i cant help.

Also my brother had really bad acne(worse then me) and went to a dermontologist and the doctor gave him some pills(i think minocycaline) and never had a pimple since(he is 18 now).

I dont have it REAL bad but its def. there, like moderate i guess...

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Going to a dermatologist is a pretty common thing, especially for teenagers... There's nothing to feel embarrassed about. I'd go. Also, don't pick your face or you'll give yourself scars.
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#7 Sleepwalk7
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[QUOTE="Sleepwalk7"]1. Everything that exists has an explanation of its existence, either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause. br0kenrabbit

^Doesn't understand quantum physics.

"I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics." - Richard Feynman Joking aside, I doubt you understand quantum mechanics. Moreover, what does quantum mechanics have to do with the premise you quoted?
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#8 Sleepwalk7
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1. Everything that exists has an explanation of its existence, either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause. 2. If the universe has an explanation of its existence, that explanation is God. 3. The universe exists. 4. Therefore, the universe has an explanation of its existence (from 1, 3). 5. Therefore, the explanation of the universes existence is God (from 2, 4). --- 1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause. 2. The universe began to exist. 3. Therefore, the universe has a cause. --- 1. If God does not exist, objective moral values and duties do not exist. 2. Objective moral values and duties do exist. 3. Therefore, God exists. --- 1. The fine-tuning of the universe is due to either physical necessity, chance, or design. 2. It is not due to physical necessity or chance. 3. Therefore, it is due to design. --- 1. It is possible that a maximally great being exists. 2. If it is possible that a maximally great being exists, then a maximally great being exists in some possible world. 3. If a maximally great being exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world. 4. If a maximally great being exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world. 5. If a maximally great being exists in the actual world, then a maximally great being exists. 6. Therefore, a maximally great being exists. Read more: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/the-new-atheism-and-five-arguments-for-god#ixzz2UiSrAM1C