About the same I got it free with my last gpu. Talked a lot of shit then it became my favorite game last gen. Not a gif game, one of them you have to play for yourself to see.

@dorog1995:

Fair enough, I don't feel the hard on for Deus Ex either lol. Forget the graphics for the time, I just don't think it's that great of a game.

Would still rather play it than TW3, but that's neither here nor there.

@dorog1995:

What does that have to do with any of this though? Plenty of fantastic games have visually aged like shit. Is what it is. Whereas great gameplay will stand the test of time. Something that TW3 never had.

Visual fidelity carries little weight for the long term in an interactive medium. There are 8bit games that still run circles around TW3 in terms of playability.

That's a fair assessment.

These guys still haven't made a good video game, let alone a great one, but still get praise for days from casuals everywhere. It was the PC crowd hyping up their first two amateur hour rpgs, now the console kids are in love with their third shallow game because yay production values. It's like the same crowd that loses their shit over another Uncharted game, but at least Uncharted games do play well regardless of how shallow and by-the-numbers they are. Even CoD, a franchise that gamers of all kinds will band together to shit on, still provides far superior gameplay to anything CDPR has developed.

Hopefully some day CDPR will make an action rpg that actually has good action and/or rpg elements.

Was a tie between OoT and FFVII for a long time. But now it's just OoT, seems a lot of people have cooled down on FF7 in recent years.

Bayonetta 2 then Nioh. Though Bayonetta 1 PC > both.

Bloodborne and Nier 2 are solid.

lol @ TW3

I own a X, it's my main gaming system right now, and I think it's a great console for the price. I'm very happy with it.

I'm not about to bullshit though. I bought it because my current PC is too ancient to upgrade and I just can't afford a new build right now. And $500 for a PC is just missing the point.

Right now the X is easily the best way to play multiplats on a budget. As soon as I can get my money up though, it's back to PC for me.

Bayonetta 1 has objectively deeper combat in high level play. In Bayonetta 2 they reduced air juggle properties and the overall amount of moves that can be linked mid air. They also made the game overly reliant on witch time to deal out any real damage while making Umbran Climax the go-to payout, pretty much strangling the wide variety of options the first game offered (while also making the hardest difficulty far less of a challenge). Mechanically speaking, the game has been simplified and has less depth to its combat as a result.

Then you have enemies who don't play by the games rules, similar to NG2 bosses compared to NGB. Enemies who can auto cancel themselves out of your combo string, artificially limiting what the player can do. For example, this is why you see tons of sick combo videos for a boss like Bayonetta 1s Jeane, but not so much for Bayonetta 2s Lumen Sage. Jeane makes for a very dynamic fight, utilizing all of the games tools, while the Lumen Sage constantly stifles the games systems and the player in return.

And not the biggest deal, but enemy weapon drops in Bayonetta 2 are far more limited in their move set than their Bayonetta 1 counterparts.

I do prefer the weapons of Bayonetta 2 as well as the enemy variety. I think the chapter quality is more consistent. And I think the improved animation gives the combat some better game feel for some of the meatier attacks. It's a fantastic game.

But it's really roughly the same about cutscenes and QTEs and the combat most definitely took a step backwards. This is what much of the fanbase is hoping to see addressed for Bayonetta 3.

Stunning credentials mate, better than a PHD.

Guess I should stop enjoying the entertainment value that I get from Youtubers who understand how to analyze and critique a game. Joseph Anderson? Mark Brown? Turbo Button? All frauds.

I should listen to you instead, oh king of the forum clowns.

In all seriousness I don't see the problem here. Gamers always bitch and bitch and bitch about how bad "mainstream" reviews are, and they're mostly right. Though now we have platforms with people who deliver whatever may interest you, anything from genuinely entertaining personalities to in depth analysis from people who understand how to articulate their ideas. And that's a problem? You come off as someone who dislikes well informed opinions.

It should go without saying that much of it is subjective. It should go without saying that no matter how well argued their points may be, you don't have to agree. Just like on this forum! :O

Unsurprising, but I don't really care. They make crap games, easy to avoid.