[QUOTE="luke1889"]I am sorry. I do not understand this in the slightest. What kind of zany rebuttal is this? Our own existence is evidence of our own existence. :|
I cannot fathom your thinking behind this.
CptJSparrow
You sound disingenuous to me. How is our existence evidence of our existence when we do not know that the other person truly exists? When you are dreaming, you generally believe that the dream is real -- until you awake, when you can compare the unconscious world to the conscious world -- but what if the "conscious" world is also an illusion? What if you never woke up from your dream? How then would you be able to discern the difference between the dream world and the real world, when you generally can only infer that you had a dream after you wake up?==This is a theory that is already widely speculated.
The real answer is that no, you cannot tell whether anything exists. The only thing that one can truly affirm is their own existence. The surroundings around us are "real" because they are existent in a scientifically observable sense. Evidence of the real can be witnessed, can be studied. I cannot prove without a doubt that I exist to you, but that is not to say that I do not exist, or that it is likely that I do not exist. There is evidence that intimates I exist.
If a world appears real, and it follows all of the laws of the real world, then at least for the individual, it is real, dream or not. However, actual reality (that is, the physical reality that surrounds us) is cold to the individual. Whether or not this world is indeed a dream, it doesn't care about one's beliefs. It's a damn good illusion if it is one, I can say that right now.
Anyways, I feel like jumping in this conversation concerning God, and since I'd rather start here, allow me to say that I am an atheist and find the idea of a God to be illogical. Why, then, is belief in God proper, or needed, as many would have me think?
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