or are we forced to save via sonys untested cloud service

does it even come with a harddrive

I like how they didn't mention any specs on the PS4

No you have to pay your 60$ a year to play online

None of these corporations respect you! they all just want your money and say what they need to say to get just that.

The real question is where does Microsoft go from here.

I was expect the Purdy next gen graphics and all I got in the sony conference was freezing games, and bad frame rates.

I've been completely underwhelmed by next gen today.

Conference sucked sucked sucked. Its all about games... and the biggest part of the conference was the price point and the jab at Microsoft. I guess I get to keep playing PC games for the next 5-8 years.... ugh.

The video is much better, when you hit the "mute" button. Otherwise looks better than all the other MGS games gameplay wise. Story will likely still be convoluted as hell though.