[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]Jesus Christ, it was over 3000 years ago, actually, it was even before Jesus Christ. :|Europeans obviously means Ashkenazi Jews came from Europe, and were well integrated in European society. They had absolutely little to do with the Jews 3000 years ago aside from the same beliefs.More so, modern state of Israel itself has little to do with the Kingdom of old. It is a secular democracy with many Atheist Jews and established gay rights.I was not around when the wars happened, but that was a time of mutual hostility with mutual retaliation. Now is different, now Israel is here to stay and leave us and them alone, which is why we both must take responsibility, else, it'll go worse from here on out. But still, that is a good use of tango there, it's always reassuring to know that Israel is on the same level of Hamas, but it makes me ponder, how does that relate to East Jerusalem? Which has absolutely no Hamas control? Why not build settlements in Gaza instead?Victorious_Fize
are you honestly going to try and argue with me Jewish genetics? I doubt you know very much about them though even if you tak that into account, half of Israel's Jews are decendents of Jews from the Arab World so even then this whole "European colonisation" thing is quite folly. in regards to wheter Israel is secular or not, in most ways , yes, though its not quite as simple as that, religious institutions get various tax cuts and get subsidized by the government, there is no such thing as a civil marriage in israel , only religious one, dictated by either the Rabbinate or the Waqf, etc. and on the issue of East Jerusalem there will have to be some compromise, the Jewish quarter will stay under Israeli control as it has the Western Wall , the Palestinians have no use for it anyways . frankly the last time they got hold of a Jewish holy site (the synagouges left over in Gaza, the Tomb of Joseph in the West Bank) they destroyed them , or in the case of the Tomb Of Jacob , set fire to it. on that account, I think its only fair I preserve control of the western wall, the rest is left up to talking. as for Gaza, its out of the simple logic of "who needs them? " the settlements in Gaza were a financial burden anyways, as are most of the west bank settlements tbh. Ohh, I see, so for the fact that your genetics relate to people of 3000 years old, that somehow give you right to Palestine? I don't know much about biology, but I am quite interested to see how your genetic makeup relates to the biblical tribes of Israel. I would absolutely 100% support a Mizrahi Jewish Israel, but the fact is, Israel is a Western country that projects foreign influences in the Middle East. Eastern Jerusalem is not yours to define in regards to what stays and doesn't, and that's exactly why direct negotiations are a failure. "as for Gaza, its out of the simple logic of "who needs them? " the settlements in Gaza were a financial burden anyways, as are most of the west bank settlements tbh." I guess this weeds out the Hamas' rockets justification, doesn't it? Jews were living in Israel they desired to establish a state there and were granted to do so by both UK (the owners) and the UN. So in all way they had right to establish their state. But Mizrahi Jews are already a bigger group than Ashkenazi Jews so what more do you want? Expulsion or genocide of the Ashkenazis? Israel is a democracy and it's really not your business whether they decide to be western or not. Really that's your problem. Western countries we get it. First Israel and then you want Europe.
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