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Jack

Stats 19 May 2006

Prison Warden Drama King - More than 10 favorite shows, at least 20% dramas. Space Cadet - More than 10 favorite shows, just 14% sci-fi. Swashbuckler - More than 10 favorite shows, just 12% action/adventure. Mr Clean - More than 10 favorite shows, just 6% soaps. Editor for a show guide. Trusted Contributor for a show guide.
Contributite - This user has made at least 1 contribution. Side-kick'n Contributor - This user has made at least 50 contributions. Captain Contributor - This user has made at least 100 contributions. Cosmic Contributor - This user has made at least 500 contributions. Contributor of the Millennium - This user has made at least 1,000 contributions. Master of the Contributions - This user has made at least 2,000 contributions. Contributor Sensei - This user has made at least 5,000 contributions.
Contributor Shogun - This user has made at least 10,000 contributions. Contributionator - This user has made at least 20,000 contributions. This user has one of the top 1,000 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 500 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 100 point scores in the community. This user has contributed over 500 message board posts. This user has over 50 journal entries.

Rank       : Prison Warden  Level      : 54  Percentage : 14% (+1)      Forum Posts :   1,010 (+3)

Submissions Reviews Accepted : 23829 (+55) Shows : 1 Pending : 1 (+1) Episodes : 2 Denied : 121 People : 0 Total : 23951 Total : 3

Edited Guides Trusted User 145 Shows (+1) 2 Shows

Kudos to Maritimer00, for pointing me in the direction of the BBC Programme Catalogue. That has quite a lot of the information that I had previously struggled to find for several of my mid-period BBC shows, and enough to fill in the gaps for Out of the Blue, the latest addition to the pantheon of British police dramas that I edit. Back to The Bill, and I aim to have all of the outstanding guest star credits for 1997-2004 posted this weekend.

Moe

Stats 18 May 2006

Prison Warden Drama King - More than 10 favorite shows, at least 20% dramas. Space Cadet - More than 10 favorite shows, just 14% sci-fi. Swashbuckler - More than 10 favorite shows, just 12% action/adventure. Mr Clean - More than 10 favorite shows, just 6% soaps. Editor for a show guide. Trusted Contributor for a show guide.
Contributite - This user has made at least 1 contribution. Side-kick'n Contributor - This user has made at least 50 contributions. Captain Contributor - This user has made at least 100 contributions. Cosmic Contributor - This user has made at least 500 contributions. Contributor of the Millennium - This user has made at least 1,000 contributions. Master of the Contributions - This user has made at least 2,000 contributions. Contributor Sensei - This user has made at least 5,000 contributions.
Contributor Shogun - This user has made at least 10,000 contributions. Contributionator - This user has made at least 20,000 contributions. This user has one of the top 1,000 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 500 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 100 point scores in the community. This user has contributed over 500 message board posts. This user has over 50 journal entries.

Rank       : Prison Warden  Level      : 54  Percentage : 13% (+3)      Forum Posts :   1,007 (+7)

Submissions Reviews Accepted : 23774 (+116) Shows : 1 Pending : 0 (-12) Episodes : 2 Denied : 121 People : 0 Total : 23895 Total : 3

Edited Guides Trusted User 144 Shows 3 Shows

A great deal of unglamorous work on The Bill

Stats 17 May 2006

Rank       : Prison Warden  Level      : 54  Percentage : 10% (-)       Forum Posts :   1,000 (-)

Submissions Reviews Accepted : 23658 (+32) Shows : 1 Pending : 12 (-5) Episodes : 2 Denied : 121 People : 0 Total : 23791 Total : 3

Edited Guides Trusted User 144 Shows 3 Shows

Manny

Stats 16 May 2006

Prison Warden Drama King - More than 10 favorite shows, at least 20% dramas. Space Cadet - More than 10 favorite shows, just 14% sci-fi. Swashbuckler - More than 10 favorite shows, just 12% action/adventure. Mr Clean - More than 10 favorite shows, just 6% soaps. Editor for a show guide. Trusted Contributor for a show guide.
Contributite - This user has made at least 1 contribution. Side-kick'n Contributor - This user has made at least 50 contributions. Captain Contributor - This user has made at least 100 contributions. Cosmic Contributor - This user has made at least 500 contributions. Contributor of the Millennium - This user has made at least 1,000 contributions. Master of the Contributions - This user has made at least 2,000 contributions. Contributor Sensei - This user has made at least 5,000 contributions.
Contributor Shogun - This user has made at least 10,000 contributions. Contributionator - This user has made at least 20,000 contributions. This user has one of the top 1,000 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 500 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 100 point scores in the community. This user has contributed over 500 message board posts. This user has over 50 journal entries.

Rank       : Prison Warden  Level      : 54  Percentage : 10% (+1)      Forum Posts :   1,000 (+1)

Submissions Reviews Accepted : 23626 (+26) Shows : 1 Pending : 17 (-2) Episodes : 2 Denied : 121 People : 0 Total : 23764 Total : 3

Edited Guides Trusted User 144 Shows 2 Shows

Can you tell I am concentrating on other areas at the moment?

Cell Block H

Stats 15 May 2006

Prison Warden Drama King - More than 10 favorite shows, at least 20% dramas. Space Cadet - More than 10 favorite shows, just 14% sci-fi. Swashbuckler - More than 10 favorite shows, just 12% action/adventure. Mr Clean - More than 10 favorite shows, just 6% soaps. Editor for a show guide. Trusted Contributor for a show guide.
Contributite - This user has made at least 1 contribution. Side-kick'n Contributor - This user has made at least 50 contributions. Captain Contributor - This user has made at least 100 contributions. Cosmic Contributor - This user has made at least 500 contributions. Contributor of the Millennium - This user has made at least 1,000 contributions. Master of the Contributions - This user has made at least 2,000 contributions. Contributor Sensei - This user has made at least 5,000 contributions.
Contributor Shogun - This user has made at least 10,000 contributions. Contributionator - This user has made at least 20,000 contributions. This user has one of the top 1,000 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 500 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 100 point scores in the community. This user has contributed over 500 message board posts. This user has over 50 journal entries.

Rank       : Prison Warden  Level      : 54  Percentage : 9% (+2)       Forum Posts :   999 (+7)

Submissions Reviews Accepted : 23600 (+107) Shows : 1 Pending : 19 (+11) Episodes : 2 Denied : 121 People : 0 Total : 23740 Total : 3

Edited Guides Trusted User 144 Shows 2 Shows

My 1000th post. Whoop de!

But me no buts

Stats 14 May 2006

Prison Warden Drama King - More than 10 favorite shows, at least 20% dramas. Space Cadet - More than 10 favorite shows, just 14% sci-fi. Swashbuckler - More than 10 favorite shows, just 12% action/adventure. Mr Clean - More than 10 favorite shows, just 6% soaps. Editor for a show guide. Trusted Contributor for a show guide.
Contributite - This user has made at least 1 contribution. Side-kick'n Contributor - This user has made at least 50 contributions. Captain Contributor - This user has made at least 100 contributions. Cosmic Contributor - This user has made at least 500 contributions. Contributor of the Millennium - This user has made at least 1,000 contributions. Master of the Contributions - This user has made at least 2,000 contributions. Contributor Sensei - This user has made at least 5,000 contributions.
Contributor Shogun - This user has made at least 10,000 contributions. Contributionator - This user has made at least 20,000 contributions. This user has one of the top 1,000 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 500 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 100 point scores in the community. This user has contributed over 500 message board posts. This user has over 50 journal entries.

Rank       : Prison Warden  Level      : 54  Percentage : 7% (+2)       Forum Posts :   992 (+6)

Submissions Reviews Accepted : 23493 (+102) Shows : 1 Pending : 8 (+1) Episodes : 2 Denied : 121 People : 0 Total : 23622 Total : 3

Edited Guides Trusted User 144 Shows 2 Shows

I had occasion to amend a credit created with a duplicate ID and I came across one of those show guides that I have been asking TV.com to delete. So it occurred to me: it's not just that I cannot add new shows, I cannot get bogus guides deleted either. I am a great advocate of the introduction of forms in the place of PM requests or pleading by forum, but I was able to get a couple of duplicate shows deleted (eventually) by the old methods, but have secured no deletions since the forms were introduced. Now, emaldalani, who deals with such things, is a pretty reliable sort, who responds promptly to PMs, so I was wondering: is there some kind of blockage at the other end, a black hole into which the Delete Show Request forms disappear? For the record, the following shows have to go!

What, me worry...?

Stats 13 May 2006

Prison Warden Drama King - More than 10 favorite shows, at least 20% dramas. Space Cadet - More than 10 favorite shows, just 14% sci-fi. Swashbuckler - More than 10 favorite shows, just 12% action/adventure. Mr Clean - More than 10 favorite shows, just 6% soaps. Editor for a show guide. Trusted Contributor for a show guide.
Contributite - This user has made at least 1 contribution. Side-kick'n Contributor - This user has made at least 50 contributions. Captain Contributor - This user has made at least 100 contributions. Cosmic Contributor - This user has made at least 500 contributions. Contributor of the Millennium - This user has made at least 1,000 contributions. Master of the Contributions - This user has made at least 2,000 contributions. Contributor Sensei - This user has made at least 5,000 contributions.
Contributor Shogun - This user has made at least 10,000 contributions. Contributionator - This user has made at least 20,000 contributions. This user has one of the top 1,000 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 500 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 100 point scores in the community. This user has contributed over 500 message board posts. This user has over 50 journal entries.

Rank       : Prison Warden  Level      : 54  Percentage : 5% (+2)       Forum Posts :   986 (+8)

Submissions Reviews Accepted : 23391 (+125) Shows : 1 Pending : 7 (-) Episodes : 2 Denied : 121 People : 0 Total : 23519 Total : 3

Edited Guides Trusted User 144 Shows 2 Shows

Today I am happy, and all is right with the world. I don't care about levelling issues: I am third overall, and if I don't get an increase, nor does anyone else. I don't care that the icon shown under my Profile is the wrong one: the correct one is shown above. I don't care that shows I propose are never added: they will be one day, and I can wait. I don't care for comma splices, I know how to use a colon!

I do care about cheats, rogues and vagabonds on the site, but I am confident that most will get their comeuppance in the end. I do care about the more serious site bugs and deficiencies, and poor communication flows, but we now have the Knowledge Base, missribs has launched a bug fix thread, the Queue of Doom is a thing of memory, and I just get the feeling that those few souls struggling with this Cinderella service are doing their very best with limited resources and no corporate support, and are slowly getting there despite all the hurdles and criticisms. Today, I think it is all going to come good in the end. Don't worry, though, I shall be back in complaining mode before you know it!

Prison Warden

Stats 11 May 2006

Prison Warden Drama King - More than 10 favorite shows, at least 20% dramas. Space Cadet - More than 10 favorite shows, just 14% sci-fi. Swashbuckler - More than 10 favorite shows, just 12% action/adventure. Mr Clean - More than 10 favorite shows, just 6% soaps. Editor for a show guide. Trusted Contributor for a show guide.
Contributite - This user has made at least 1 contribution. Side-kick'n Contributor - This user has made at least 50 contributions. Captain Contributor - This user has made at least 100 contributions. Cosmic Contributor - This user has made at least 500 contributions. Contributor of the Millennium - This user has made at least 1,000 contributions. Master of the Contributions - This user has made at least 2,000 contributions. Contributor Sensei - This user has made at least 5,000 contributions.
Contributor Shogun - This user has made at least 10,000 contributions. Contributionator - This user has made at least 20,000 contributions. This user has one of the top 1,000 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 500 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 100 point scores in the community. This user has contributed over 500 message board posts. This user has over 50 journal entries.

Rank       : Prison Warden  Level      : 54  Percentage : 1% (+4)       Forum Posts :   952 (+12)

Submissions Reviews Accepted : 23187 (+156) Shows : 1 Pending : 3 (+2) Episodes : 2 Denied : 121 People : 0 Total : 23311 Total : 3

Edited Guides Trusted User 143 Shows 3 Shows

Prison Warden? It's a bit lonely here!

A little story to encapsulate much of what is wrong with the principle of TV.com. I used to submit new show guides for adoption, but these are never adopted. Wrong country, wrong demographic, I guess, but in any event, not meeting the "quality threshhold" of being deemed of interest to the user base. I was surprised, then, to see on emaldalani's latest blog that a recent British drama – Elizabeth I – had been adopted. When I checked the guide, I found out why: someone was passing it off as a new U.S. show. In fact, this international co-production was aired on HBO some 7 months later than it appeared on the UK's Channel 4. I went into the show guide and corrected the summary page, which is supposed to reflect original network and broadcast dates. (In contrast, the Rome co-production is correctly recorded as an HBO show, as it was broadcast on HBO 3 months or so before it aired on BBC1. You see where I'm coming from?)

Anyway, I revisited Elizabeth I today and found that someone had changed it back (but got the end date wrong). They had also added two episode summaries (cliché-ridden, not plot-specific and full of spelling errors). Now, this person obviously wants the show guide: one of three contributors to the guide (emaldalani and I each have 5 points, for the original summary and the correction) s/he has managed to accumulate 58 points for corrupting the summary, adding two episodes, three show stars and one quote. By my reckoning, that cannot be worth more than 5+8+8+2+1=24 points (28 if s/he is adding a show star at a time). So, here's my dilemma: someone badly wants the show, and is gaming to get it. They have chosen to remove the correct information I submitted. TV.com staff approving the recent submissions are not exercising quality control. I cannot ensure that the correct information is held without securing the editorship – an impossible thing to do legitimately for a two-part mini-series. I also don't want to have anything to do with a guide for what was, in truth, a truly dreadful production, no more than a vanity project for show star Mirren, who was far too old for the part. The later Elizabeth I: The Virgin Queen, with Ann-Marie Duff, was far superior, but why would anyone want to remake the story when Glenda Jackson gave the definitive portrayal in Elizabeth R?

I have been here before with another show guide, of course. I saw someone trying to secure a guide through gaming, drew it to missribs's attention, and she disallowed all of the bogus pending subs at that time. However, that contributor just resubmitted them, someone else accepted them, and the contributor became the editor.

Stats 10 May 2006

Rank       : Commander in Chief  Level      : 53  Percentage : 97% (-)       Forum Posts :   940 (+24)

Submissions Reviews Accepted : 23031 (+124) Shows : 1 Pending : 1 (-) Episodes : 2 Denied : 121 People : 0 Total : 23153 Total : 3

Edited Guides Trusted User 143 Shows 3 Shows

My Outstanding Issues

Stats 9 May 2006

Commander in Chief Drama King - More than 10 favorite shows, at least 20% dramas. Space Cadet - More than 10 favorite shows, just 14% sci-fi. Swashbuckler - More than 10 favorite shows, just 12% action/adventure. Mr Clean - More than 10 favorite shows, just 6% soaps. Editor for a show guide. Trusted Contributor for a show guide.
Contributite - This user has made at least 1 contribution. Side-kick'n Contributor - This user has made at least 50 contributions. Captain Contributor - This user has made at least 100 contributions. Cosmic Contributor - This user has made at least 500 contributions. Contributor of the Millennium - This user has made at least 1,000 contributions. Master of the Contributions - This user has made at least 2,000 contributions. Contributor Sensei - This user has made at least 5,000 contributions.
Contributor Shogun - This user has made at least 10,000 contributions. Contributionator - This user has made at least 20,000 contributions. This user has one of the top 1,000 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 500 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 100 point scores in the community. This user has contributed over 500 message board posts. This user has over 50 journal entries.

Rank       : Commander in Chief  Level      : 53  Percentage : 97% (+2)      Forum Posts :   916 (+1)

Submissions Reviews Accepted : 22907 (+97) Shows : 1 Pending : 1 (-17) Episodes : 2 Denied : 121 People : 0 Total : 23029 Total : 3

Edited Guides Trusted User 143 Shows 3 Shows
Another disallowance. I tried to amend a credit for an Australian composer that was attached to a British actor. The editor wanted me to create a new person ID with (AUS) in brackets instead of (I). I don't think so!

I've noted with disappointment that my last pipeline to the staff is closed. Now that my outstanding PMs are being deleted (and these include all the PMs I sent to missribs in Dec and Jan, and the summary PM she asked me to send on 26-Jan), I thought I would note here the key issues that I need the staff to address, but that remain undone. (I have officially given up on getting responses to older questions asked of snide (capping), smushmeg (levelling) and emaldalani (new shows)!

A comment on self-confessed gaming by a high profile contributor, as witnessed by missribs (with missribs) [Contributor barred from TV.com 6 June 2006]

Advice on dealing with evidenced gaming by a named contributor (with missribs) [Contributor barred from TV.com 10 May 2006. Guidance still sought on how to handle gaming submissions.]

Reporting serious misconduct by a named individual (with danmod)

Advice on how staff want me to deal with a corrupted show guide [Sorted 11 May 2006]

A comment on the acquisition, by gaming, of editorship of a named unaired show after missribs had intervened to prevent this (with missribs)

Non-contributor to be removed from the list of Top Contributors for a named show (with missribs)

Waiting to be made editor of Wire in the Blood [Editorship awarded 12 May 2006]

Episodes to be deleted (with danmod):

Episodes to be moved to season 0 (with danmod):

Seasons to be deleted (with danmod):

Mission Accomplished!

Stats 8 May 2006

Commander in Chief Drama King - More than 10 favorite shows, at least 20% dramas. Space Cadet - More than 10 favorite shows, just 14% sci-fi. Swashbuckler - More than 10 favorite shows, just 12% action/adventure. Mr Clean - More than 10 favorite shows, just 6% soaps. Editor for a show guide. Trusted Contributor for a show guide.
Contributite - This user has made at least 1 contribution. Side-kick'n Contributor - This user has made at least 50 contributions. Captain Contributor - This user has made at least 100 contributions. Cosmic Contributor - This user has made at least 500 contributions. Contributor of the Millennium - This user has made at least 1,000 contributions. Master of the Contributions - This user has made at least 2,000 contributions. Contributor Sensei - This user has made at least 5,000 contributions.
Contributor Shogun - This user has made at least 10,000 contributions. Contributionator - This user has made at least 20,000 contributions. This user has one of the top 1,000 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 500 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 100 point scores in the community. This user has contributed over 500 message board posts. This user has over 50 journal entries.

Rank       : Commander in Chief  Level      : 53  Percentage : 95% (+3)      Forum Posts :   915 (+15)

Submissions Reviews Accepted : 22810 (+95) Shows : 1 Pending : 18 (+16) Episodes : 2 Denied : 120 People : 0 Total : 22948 Total : 3

Edited Guides Trusted User 143 Shows 3 Shows
I first came to this site with the express intention of helping to sort the show guide for The Bill. sierra_one had been doing a fabulous job with it over at TVTome, while I was maintaining my own, rather more comprehensive guide, at The Old Bill, in no small part by ensuring that every piece of data that was added to TVTome found its way onto my own database and website. It was sierra_one who told me about the new site, and I agreed to come over and help make it the most comprehensive guide to the show on the web.

Does anyone remember that most annoying TV.com innovation: the population of episodes with star data? What happened was that they ran a script that populated every episode migrated from TVTome with the show star details from the summary page at TVTome. This was annoying in three respects:
  • (i) most editors had appended tags to character names at the summary level to indicate which years or seasons each actor appeared in;
  • (ii) the programme assigned every show star to every episode of that show;
  • (iii) the programme ignored those instances where editors such as myself had painstakingly assigned stars (with the correct character names) to each episode that they had appeared in.
This is why, today, so many stars are credited with superfluous year or season information after the character name for every appearance, why so many people are credited for episodes they didn't appear in, and why the Most Recent Appearance entry on actor pages is such an unreliable indicator. I set about revisiting those shows that I had edited at TVTome, undoing all of the incorrect credits that TV.com had imposed, then turned my sights on The Bill.

The show stars issue was a huge one as far as The Bill was concerned, as some 1,974 episodes had 133 stars (later 127 stars and 6 co-stars) attached, meaning that each episode needed around 110 actors to be deselected or reclassified from co-star to show star, in addition to the usual tasks (missing episodes, synopses, guest stars, crew credits, mis-spelled character names, incorrect person IDs).

I was working nights and attending to TV.com during the quieter moments (basically the 12 hours between shift start and shift end) but, when I reached 1,000 contribution points I decided to stop, as sierra_one's points weren't increasing and I didn't want him to think I was trying to "steal" the editorship. I started work on the Doctor Who guide, which had a lot of missing cast information, and which had always struck me as being slanted to a U.S./Canadian readership. I soon acquired my first editorship, and found that correcting and investigating actor details led me to new shows, then to further actors, and I was quickly immersed in the TV.com game, contributing to an ever-widening range of show guides. sierra_one, meanwhile, had decided to abandon the site over the stars migration issue, and the failure of staff to respond to his post on the subject.

I started addressing the show star issue for The Bill again recently, after months dealing with other issues, and today, finally, that task is complete! Now I just need to add stars and guests to the balance of nearly 100 episodes created at TV.com.

In other news, I posted here months ago about a rogue contributor who was copying and pasting summaries from other sites, adding duplicate and unnecessary notes and deleting them, adding mis-spelled actors with mis-spelled character names and, finally, actually making episodes up. He disappeared from view for a while, but I found out that he had just moved on to try and spoil show guide under other editors. He returned with a vengeance last month, and scored a 100% rejection rate for badly copy-typing synopses from press releases, and adding characters to episodes that they do not appear in. Dealing with this one contributor, in terms of identifying the external sources of his errors, explaining why the submissions were rejected, and repeatedly providing advice on how he should go about making submissions in the future, would commonly occupy more than half of my entire day's on-line time. He has been quiet again over the past few days, but I discovered today that he has managed to acquire editorship of a show using the same techniques that had led him to a 50% rejection rate (95% for my shows). It's a pity that TV.com is unable to apply sanctions in such obvious cases of gaming, chronic illiteracy, and deliberate corruption of show guides, but at least he is leaving the rest of us alone, for now.

Norton Internet Security: compatibility issue

Stats 7 May 2006

Commander in Chief Drama King - More than 10 favorite shows, at least 20% dramas. Space Cadet - More than 10 favorite shows, just 14% sci-fi. Swashbuckler - More than 10 favorite shows, just 12% action/adventure. Mr Clean - More than 10 favorite shows, just 6% soaps. Editor for a show guide. Trusted Contributor for a show guide.
Contributite - This user has made at least 1 contribution. Side-kick'n Contributor - This user has made at least 50 contributions. Captain Contributor - This user has made at least 100 contributions. Cosmic Contributor - This user has made at least 500 contributions. Contributor of the Millennium - This user has made at least 1,000 contributions. Master of the Contributions - This user has made at least 2,000 contributions. Contributor Sensei - This user has made at least 5,000 contributions.
Contributor Shogun - This user has made at least 10,000 contributions. Contributionator - This user has made at least 20,000 contributions. This user has one of the top 1,000 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 500 point scores in the community. This user has one of the top 100 point scores in the community. This user has contributed over 500 message board posts. This user has over 50 journal entries.

Rank       : Commander in Chief  Level      : 53  Percentage : 92% (+1)      Forum Posts :   900 (+7)

Submissions Reviews Accepted : 22715 (+37) Shows : 1 Pending : 2 (+2) Episodes : 2 Denied : 120 People : 0 Total : 22837 Total : 3

Edited Guides Trusted User 143 Shows 3 Shows
When adding a new guest star to an episode, the system is now designed to give you a little on-screen extract from the actor's profile. Many of us have complained about getting error messages instead. These contain the same essential data, but pop up in a new window that has to be closed before proceeding, an extremely irksome process indeed.

I tried disabling my pop-up blocker, to no avail. Disabling my ad-blocker reduced the size of the error message page, but did not address the problem. I have now found that I can enable the feature only by switching off Norton Internet Security all together. This is a wholly unsatisfactory arrangement, and my dedication to TV.com is not enough for me to risk the security of me and mine.

I have posted this in the technical forum in the hope that one of the technical support people addresses the problem. When they do, I shall be agitating for the feature to be extended to crew.