I think this "crisis" is less than that. it's more like a realization. Honestly when you have 5 credit cards and you don't cancel them, use them, and make dumb choices, you'll ussually get into debt and what-not.

          This time, the only difference is that the big companies got caught doing the same things as some irresponsible people. I Honestly believe that stocks are where they should have been a year ago. The dow jones should have never even reached 12k at that time.

         This is why i've allways been against credit, i believe in living within your own means. this is just what happens when people try to live outside of their means. IMO, it's about time this happened.

 

irelevent

im not a fan of credit, or banks in general. these things were bound to happen because americans have some silly notion that governments can handle problems when its pretty clear the government in completely inept.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]Looks at Zimbabwe's currency value. Yeah, like that solved US' problems. lilburtonboy748

100 billion dollar bills  lol

god i hate zimbabwe's idea of economics

[QUOTE="ToWelkinAtDusk"][QUOTE="McDog3"]

I still don't understand some of the logic in these arguments, just because someone DOES pass the drug test, doesn't mean they will not ever show up to work high.  But on the subject of these druggies, it's amazing how some people are intelligent enough to know not to show up high to a drug test, but dumb enough to still show up to work baked......

So to play devil's advocate, here's another wacked out situation.  Say you live in a household where a family member smokes pot so from time to time you may inadvertantly inhale sechondhand smoke.  You have never done the drugs in your life.   You now have a job interview, they ask for a drug test, and you oblige but still fail.  What about that bit of injustice?

(Again, i'm playing devil's advocate here, don't start flaming with stupid remarks, it's not that ridiculous of a question if you think about it)

McDog3

you wouldnt fail from second hand smoke. you dont get addicted to ciggarettes for example if your parents smoke. talk about not understanding logic.

the bottom line is, you dont own the business, therefor its not your property nor is it your call. no injustice.

if you forbid someone to come into your house because hes wearing yellow shoes, theres no injustice there because YOU own it. Its NO different at your job. If you owned the business, you would want people there that you like. But as long as it isnt yours, i guess you can have the government bully them?

What a bunch of crap, honestly. theres no other way to put it.

I never said I didn't understand the right of the company to not want certain things in their business, I understand that.  And I didn't say anything about getting addicted :? , my question could be void if I don't understand correctly but isn't the chemical ATP (errr, something like that) released in the smoke and when inhaled you will come out positive on a drug test because this certain chemical is in your body.  (IF that's not correct, then i'm sorry for the question.)

My first statement was only saying, what's stopping from those people who pass the drug test to NOT do drugs at some point afterwards.  To say drug tests are necessary simply because it will weed out all drug users is a farely innacurate statement, that's all I was saying.

didnt say you did, however the point stands on account of you said you would fail a drug test if you inhaled second hand smoke. addiction plays no role in this other than my example based upon cigarettes. That was actually something very easy to understand.

it dosent stop them. if the employer dosent care about it past that point then thats up to the employer. however if they want to give drug tests once a week, or even everyday thats fine too.

[QUOTE="ToWelkinAtDusk"]

[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]It would destroy the purpose of money. Have you ever seen the wastlands in Fallout 3, that'd be us if we'd legalize counterfeiting. CleanPlayer

the federal reserve is already doing this. the very dollar you have in your wallet is essentially worth nothing.

only a government can take a valued commodity like paper, put ink on it and make it entirely worth nothing

It would destroy the purpose of money. Have you ever seen the wastlands in Fallout 3, that'd be us if we'd legalize counterfeiting. CleanPlayer

someone dosent understand the current economic crisis....

i thought the use of government was to MAKE disaster.

I still don't understand some of the logic in these arguments, just because someone DOES pass the drug test, doesn't mean they will not ever show up to work high.  But on the subject of these druggies, it's amazing how some people are intelligent enough to know not to show up high to a drug test, but dumb enough to still show up to work baked......

So to play devil's advocate, here's another wacked out situation.  Say you live in a household where a family member smokes pot so from time to time you may inadvertantly inhale sechondhand smoke.  You have never done the drugs in your life.   You now have a job interview, they ask for a drug test, and you oblige but still fail.  What about that bit of injustice?

(Again, i'm playing devil's advocate here, don't start flaming with stupid remarks, it's not that ridiculous of a question if you think about it)

McDog3

you wouldnt fail from second hand smoke. you dont get addicted to ciggarettes for example if your parents smoke. talk about not understanding logic.

the bottom line is, you dont own the business, therefor its not your property nor is it your call. no injustice.

if you forbid someone to come into your house because hes wearing yellow shoes, theres no injustice there because YOU own it. Its NO different at your job. If you owned the business, you would want people there that you like. But as long as it isnt yours, i guess you can have the government bully them?

What a bunch of crap, honestly. theres no other way to put it.

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

Legalize counterfeiting.

All we ever hear from the government is that we need more credit. People need more money to spend. They always talk about getting a stimulus check to us right away. They want bailouts for everyone. MORE CREDIT

So why not let us do the job ourselves. Rather than have the FED print the money, just let us do it instead.

lilburtonboy748

Creating money when it has no value would just destroy the economy.. why do you think we're in this mess? Because of loose economic policy. This just takes it to the extreme.

Credit is the source of all our woes. Eliminate credit and we fix the problem. People shouldn't' spend money they dont' have.

If people do lend out money, there has to be risks. You cannot have a bank and make promises you can't keep. That's how it is now, but if they get in trouble, they can be bailed out by the FED. You cannot do that. Lending is a risky business, and if you are bad at it, you should fail. Not be backed by some printing press.

what i find more crazy than the federal reserve is that we arent even allowed to exchange our money for the gold anymore. its actually illegal for someone to have that much gold. I mean, this would play a big role in keeping the banking system in check, if someone were to say "you guys are sketchy, give me the amount of gold my money is worth and ill be done with you." its almost as if the politicians WANT an economic disaster.

but... bigger government will save us, because it clearly didnt make this mess!

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

Legalizing counterfeit money would cause inflation to skyrocket beyond astronomical levels.

The last thing the United States needs is the dollar bill having the same worth as a human turd.

-Jiggles-

Counterfeiting is legal. The FED does it every day. All I was saying is that since they think the problem is lack of fiat money, they should just allow us to print our own. According to their logic, that would solve the problem.

Counterfeiting is illegal, period. The government mass-producing money isn't counterfeit because it's actual, authentic money. People printing out their own fake money down in their basement is counterfeit.

If every person in the United States was able to walk around with a wallet full of Benjamins, then money would lose it's value.

Think of it as trading cards; say a company released an extremely rare baseball card that was worth hundreds of dollars each and only a select few people could get them. Due to popular demand, however, they simply said, "To Hell with it, let's just give everybody the rare baseball card!" and now everybody and their mother has this same formerly-rare card. When you walk down the street bragging to your friends saying, "Hey guys, look at this awesome card I have!" they'll only laugh and say "No crap, stupid, we and everybody else have the exact same card too. They're worthless."

Same applies with money.

what the fed does is technically counterfieting, as its printing money that has no value.

we dont have money, we have federal reserve notes. our actual currency is gold, but our currency became illegal under nixon (i think)