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#1 ToWelkinAtDusk
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Ever since i got Rock Band, one of my favourite songs has always been The Hand That Feeds. Since i liked the song so much, i decided to download the new NIN album The Slip (through their site! not illegally!). I didn't really like any of the songs on the album so i watched a few NIN songs on youtube and i really couldn't get into any of them as much as The Hand That Feeds. Are there any songs more like that?nintendoman562

 

NIN dosent have too much like that.

 

they have some songs that you might like anyway, like starsuckers, inc (replace the s with an F to find it on youtube), the perfect drug

 

other than that, i have no idea. most of the songs arent that rocky

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[QUOTE="ToWelkinAtDusk"]

Ok...

Hewkii

and?

 

sorry but the way youre taking this conversation is sort of vague

 

are you trying to say that things like freedom of speech must be given by a corporation because its in the constitution? Well, you would be wrong. For example, we have the gamespot TOU that clearly would be illegal if that were true.

 

when youre employed, you agree on terms. some of those terms might not be so nice, but if you dont like it, dont sign the papers and find a different job.

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[QUOTE="ToWelkinAtDusk"]

what?

Hewkii

if the feds say you have to do something, then you have to do it.

 

Ok...

 

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Just like how you dont have to give freedom of speech in your home, you dont have to give anything in your business. Theres no difference.

Hewkii

unless the "gift" is federally mandated.

 

what?

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corporations are not bound by the constitution.

Hewkii

I would think the highest law of the land would apply to everyone.

 

Just like how you dont have to give freedom of speech in your home, you dont have to give anything in your business. Theres no difference. Obviously, you cant do something to someone without their consent. But people usually go into a job knowing whats coming, and complain about it later which is their fault, not the business owners.

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#6 ToWelkinAtDusk
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[QUOTE="ToWelkinAtDusk"][QUOTE="Lord__Darkstorn"]

Actually you're wrong. The Federal Reserve's responsibilities have grown greatly since the Depression; they are basically the central banking system for the entire country (with some exceptions, of course).

Let's look at this as it would happen:

Step 1: Some rich Wall St. guys get even greedier and decide to invest in a new industry, and they help market it and set it up for competition.

Step 2: The consumers don't back it (as happened with the recent housing crisis). The industry still has support, but it is falling fast.

Step 3: The Fat Cats, being individualists, draw out their money in order to preotect it from the crisis that they helped create.

Step 4: The economy takes a hit. Then a chain reaction occurs. The entire economy will soon be in the gutter.

Step 5: Even though noone likes it, the Fed MUST step in in order to avoid recession, and that devalues money in the process.

Which would you rather have - slightly devalued money or another Great Depression?

If we had more regulation, then big corporations wouldn't be able to invest in volatile industries, and there would be far less embezzlement and bad investments on Wall St.

Solution: Either we regulate more, or we have to devalue our money by having the Fed come in.

Lord__Darkstorn

 

Actually, im not. I highly suggest you do some research from a point of view not already your own. Did you even watch the video? or do you assume you know everything? Because im quite certain theres a few things you gotta brush up on

 

I know what the federal reserve is. I know its grown, and I know that its a bad thing.

 

another great depression is inevitable. Its better to just let it happen, the more we prolong it the worse its going to be. But if someone invests in a highly speculative company then that their fault. the fat cats dont invest in risky business a lot, they usually have so much money that they invest in money market accounts and such, as they dont need the high risk, and could live off of interest alone without touching the principal.

 

Why shouldnt someone be able to invest in a volitile industry? sometimes they take off, and that can be a good thing. 

 

Solution: Gold standard with next to no regulation, allow wealth to be created instead of stagnating.

That solution only helps the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

We need more regulation. If we were as heavily regulated as most European countries, there would be no need for a Fed, and therefore very little inflation. We just need to make sure big business does not make predatory loans, or in the case of the Great Depression,overinvestment (also known as an economic bubble).

 

No, my solution is that people have the right to their property, and have a chance as prosperity.

 

We need less regulation, and the sooner you lose your emotional attatchment to this childish idealogy the sooner youll actually learn something about economics.

 

the only way europe was able to compete was to merge with all those nations, and for us to become more like them. Poland had an inflation problem, thats much worse than what we have now.

the only way to solve inflation is to have sound money backed by gold. 

 

big business made those loans under the community reinvestment act which came from bill clintons admin. All of our problems are a result of regulations

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I was just thinking that maybe if the Big 3 did collapse (lowering their market share), it could produce a lower supply of vehicles. The other foreign companies such as Toyota for ex. would eagerly fill the void the Big 3 once occupied. For that they would need additional workforce.

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absolutely. You also have to realize that if GM went broke, they would have to sell. Someone would come in and buy it for cheap, and probably end up making superior products with it.

 

Having the auto industry fall apart would eventually be a good thing for everyone.

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#8 ToWelkinAtDusk
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...and guess why poor working conditions are rarer nowadays? It's because of unions.

Unions have prevented huge corporations from unconstitutionally limiting the human rights of others.

Lord__Darkstorn

 

corporations are not bound by the constitution. if you get employed by companya and they tell you that things are rough, its your fault for going there in the first place as you knew what was coming.

living stadards went up because of wealth, not because of anything else. people gained wealth and didnt want to do certain jobs. thats how it goes, no other way.

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it would balance things more, as it would force people to be efficient with money. one thing you must realize, is that a depression is coming. unless we have some kind of world war 3, we wont get out of it without absolute free market capitalism. socialism is failure.

if they go for lower level jobs, thats their choice. they can go work in the same field, or if theyre educated they can get better jobs, or possibly create jobs by starting a business. all of this would be easier, if the government wasnt in the way. its too hard to start a business with a complex tax code and ridiculous zoning laws

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#10 ToWelkinAtDusk
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[QUOTE="ToWelkinAtDusk"]

government is essentially the reason for all the ills of the USA.

entropyecho

C'mon now, you and I both know that is a gross exaggeration. 

 

Not at all.

Read this article, and im sure youll see that the government is essentially a giant failure.

http://mises.org/story/1471