[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="CheddarLimbo"]

Well, when you think about it like that, it really makes a lot of sense.

I mean, consider Star Trek, right? When they would meet a new race, they're always "The Vulcans", or "The Romulans". Those advanced civilizations all moved past the country phase, and they were better for it. So why not Earth?

/end.crazy.speculative.rant

Oh, also, your theory makes me think you have some serious mental issues. Please stop listening to talk radio.

Bill900

Why mental issues? Why can't I just be a curious human being? Must everyone be subjected to criticism when a govt is questioned? Come on now!! You believe what u want. You go ahead and continue to believe that it is in the best interest if Iraq and Vietnam and whatever other country we've invaded to strip them of their own power and have insiders manipulate other govts. I'm telling you, I know it sounds SUPER FAR FETCHED to believe, or even consider that such a plan has been deviced and has been the goal for decades, if not centuries, but if you look between the lines, you will find the truth.Otherwise you can continue to live being a slave and not even know it.

You can look up everyting I've said so far and confirm it.

Dude... settle down

Hey I'm calm. I'm just stating that we Americans, whether we/I like it or not, we are slaves to these men.
Any idea why we have such a high debt weighing down on us? What is it? Something like8, almost $9 trillion in natonal debt?

[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"]

Well u haven't responded to my simple question, so of course I'm going to quote myself to get u to come out. But you won't because you dont understand. You'd rather insult me than discuss/debate(I guess...) with me.

DeeJayInphinity

What simple question? The one refering to the Lincoln and JFK assasinations? No, I don't know for sure who did it. Why would I? I wasn't there, and I am 100% you don't know who it was, either.

Well, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve of its power to loan money to the government at HIGH interest rates. JFK signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. The bankers didn't like what JFK was proposing, that he put the Federal Reserve & CIA out of business, so they got him first before he was able to abolish the Fed Res & CIA, both privately owned by the banking elite. The executive order was stopped by LBJ shortly after JFK was murdered

The same thing happened to Lincoln. He need money to fund the Civil, but these bankers wanted to charge him 38% interest per note, and obviously that was a ludicrous idea. Lincoln made United States notes call Greenbacks to avoid having to pay large sums of interest to the bank. This got them mad, and so they killed him. Same with Andrew Jackson, who actually "killed the bank" before an attempt was made on his life.

JFK's Executive Order 11110 is still in affect today. What we need is a president brave enough to sign it through again. The question is, what future president is willing to pay the ultimate price?

[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"]

[QUOTE="jarhead1990"]

mig_killer2

what benefit does the US government have to gain from sustaining the war in Iraq? I can understand that we would want to build permanent military bases to help stabilize the region, but why would we want to sustain the conflict?

BTW jarhead, truth_seeker isn't a politician and doesn't know his sh1t. he's just another brainwashed fan of zeitgeist(did I spell that right? even if I didn't, you know what I mean) the movie

Sorry, but WTH is Zeigtgeist?

I already explained a few posts up. Anyways it would be the private holders of the US govt that are to gain from the United States invasion of Iraq/Middle East, to push forth their idea.

I know my stuff from years of independant research.I've provided motive, gain,and interest.Can you prove otherwise if you cant agree with me other than just "he's nuts"?

YES YES YES!! They did all the "proper steps"to support the invasion,but you dont think these people have their guys working for them with seats in Congress and the Comittee etc to help manipulate our govt to comply with what they want!? Please.

9/11 was used to launch 2 illegal wars, US vs Iraq, andUS vsAfghanistan. 9/11 was also the pretext to take away our rights, in exchange for "security". You have the Military Tribunal Act, The Department of Homeland Security which brought the Patriot Act enabling the govt to spy on US citizens and a bunch of other legislations that are designed to strip us of our civil lberties, so that we have no power asa people to fight back against what is coming.

Well, when you think about it like that, it really makes a lot of sense.

I mean, consider Star Trek, right? When they would meet a new race, they're always "The Vulcans", or "The Romulans". Those advanced civilizations all moved past the country phase, and they were better for it. So why not Earth?

/end.crazy.speculative.rant

Oh, also, your theory makes me think you have some serious mental issues. Please stop listening to talk radio.

CheddarLimbo

Why mental issues? Why can't I just be a curious human being? Must everyone be subjected to criticism when a govt is questioned? Come on now!! You believe what u want. You go ahead and continue to believe that it is in the best interest if Iraq and Vietnam and whatever other country we've invaded to strip them of their own power and have insiders manipulate other govts. I'm telling you, I know it sounds SUPER FAR FETCHED to believe, or even consider that such a plan has been deviced and has been the goal for decades, if not centuries, but if you look between the lines, you will find the truth.Otherwise you can continue to live being a slave and not even know it.

You can look up everyting I've said so far and confirm it.

[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"]

[QUOTE="jarhead1990"]Damn ni66a...you a politician or something because you know ur sh1t lol.^^mig_killer2

It's just easy to see how the manipulation is being done. Don't swallow what tv & newspapers tell you, look it up, and realize this world is not how it seems.

what benefit does the US government have to gain from sustaining the war in Iraq? I can understand that we would want to build permanent military bases to help stabilize the region, but why would we want to sustain the conflict?

BTW jarhead, truth_seeker isn't a politician and doesn't know his sh1t. he's just another brainwashed fan of zeitgeist(did I spell that right? even if I didn't, you know what I mean) the movie

Sorry, but WTH is Zeigtgeist?

I already explained a few posts up. Anyways it would be the private holders of the US govt that are to gain from the United States invasion of Iraq/Middle East, to push forth their idea.

I know my stuff from years of independant research.I've provided motive, gain,and interest.Can you prove otherwise if you cant agree with me other than just "he's nuts"?

Damn ni66a...you a politician or something because you know ur sh1t lol.^^jarhead1990

It's just easy to see how the manipulation is being done. Don't swallow what tv & newspapers tell you, look it up, and realize this world is not how it seems.

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

Do you think it would be more stable if Iran and Syria were acting like responsible and decent countries and not interfering and underming Iraq, Supporting militias, and sending in foreign fighters and IEDs.

I think it would be more secure but probably not totally stable, but there would be less civilian and U.S. casualties.

Domingo1093

I would rather say that the main problem comes from the presence of the US troops in Iraq. The US acted without the approbation of the Security Council of the UN and now they stuck over there without the support of the international community. If you want a solution to U.S. casualties, just bring back those guys home. Iraq is now a real mess and the country is currently living a violent civil war. The US troops don't even know who they're fighting...how do you want them to win ? There will be no victory in Iraq.

The war is made to look like it's going badly, and most Americans think it is. However the fact that the public fails to see, is that the destabilization is exactly what the "architects" behind the govt wanted. The Iraq War is not to be won, it is to be sustained so that the region can be divided up, domination of the oil maintained, continual profits stack up for the defense contractors, and most importantly, to have permanent military bases established to be used as a launching pad against other oil bearing-nonconforming countries such as Iran & Syria.

[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="jointed"]

You guys should really try to debate him instead of making pathetic posts like that....:roll:

I'm not bying into everything he says but you guys seem to completely disagree with him, so please, debate him and show us how it really is.

DeeJayInphinity

Conspiracy theorists always try to prove their theories by bringing up more theories. Don't believe me? Just look at his posts. It's essentially pointless to try to argue or debate with them.

Why is that? I havn't flamed anyone or gotten aggressive. I'm merely explaining to help make everyone, not just us Americans,AWARE that we're all little nobodies to these peole who manipulate the world with their power. Afterall, those who control the money supply of a nation(central banking/Fed Res) practically controls the lives of the people/world.

For example, any idea why Lincoln or JFK were assassinated. and by whom?

I see you either have no clue, or just have no clue.

Wait, you're talking to yourself? :?

I'll agree to that, lol.

Well u haven't responded to my simple question, so of course I'm going to quote myself to get u to come out. But you won't because you dont understand. You'd rather insult me than discuss/debate(I guess...) with me.

This is my first time hearing about this, but is the plan to combine the America's an atempt to compete with the Euro? Doesn't sound that farfetched in that respect, although killing people as grounds for war may be a strech for every single case. Disturbed_Dude

They make it seem like it's to compete with the Euro and/or the Ecoi, but really it's just to tighten the rope around the American people, and then around the world. Asia will prove to be the most difficult to unionize, as China is about to become the strongest nation on Earth,but once they have Asia, they will be prepared to offerthe world, and even greater Union....a WorldUnion.

The idea that North American Union is to compete is only the mask to hide why they are consolidating the power into their hands(if you know who I'm talking about that is).

[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="Bill900"]

OK I have 2 questions:

Where are you getting this information? Because I don't see a single source on here.

Did you create this account just to create this thread? My guess is yes, based on your username and the fact that all of your posts are on this topic.

Bill900

From research.

Libraries, magazines, news broadcasts, books, documentaries, reports(independant& govt), putting together inconsitencies.

For GOD's sake!!! All it takes is for you people to LOOK & ANALYZE the state of past & current events. Who's been incharge and where they come from. All these are valid questions that lead to something much more darker & sinister than most can imagine.

Don't you question what happens? Ordo u believe thateverything that happens in the world is just bad luck or coindential but with no relation to one another, and that our govt does only what's in our best interest?

No, I believe that I should be skeptical of things I hear. That includes conspiracy theories that I read about on the internet.

Fair enough. I thought u were trying to suggest that I go without questioning the administration of this and other nationsand it's actions