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[QUOTE="Rashpal"]And then we enter the territory of marketing and brand awareness, which is where this competitive farce will be won, and on that front 360 likewise has a lot of catching up to do.Rashpal

And then we have price, availability, media coverage and reviews...all not in PS3's favor.

Even marketing it seems Sony has lost their touch. The PS3 commercials aren't any good at all.

That's debateable, but I'm not one to be debating that. And with that said, I'm off.

And then we enter the territory of marketing and brand awareness, which is where this competitive farce will be won, and on that front 360 likewise has a lot of catching up to do.Rashpal

And then we have price, availability, media coverage and reviews...all not in PS3's favor.

Even marketing it seems Sony has lost their touch. The PS3 commercials aren't any good at all.

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"][QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

[QUOTE="Rashpal"]Taking aside your point about PSP (however valid that may be) it's not really a question of what it'll be known for, rather what it will be sold as (a quick look at the latest Beyon3D trailer should give you a hint as to what that is). It's all well and good saying "what little there is" but at this early a stage I don't think any educated observer would expect more from the leading games manufacturer. As a purest you may like to under sell the multimedia capabilities of the system but these capabilities will distinguish it from the competition. There' no question of Sony's credentials at delivering strong gaming content, so overtime it'll be the hardware in combination with the appropriate software that will take the system beyond the status of a gaming console and to that of a multimedia hub. It may seem like a pipe dream but it is one much more exciting than the standard gaming device.Rashpal

Playstation will always be known as a game console. No matter what they add to it and market it as, people will still be buying it as a game console, and they'll most likely be disappointed with the PS3 not being superior in any way related to games. A lesser library, an inferior online service, and graphics that are merely equal with the $400 360, instead of the 4D with the Cell and all that, that they were promised. I, and many others certainly expected more. How can it go beyond the status of a game console when it's struggling at being a game console alone?

It's just the truth. The consumer isn't going to see "Just wait, great games are coming in '07," they see "Well, the 360 has more games and it's cheaper."

It's completely fair. The 360 got a headstart, and that was a brilliant move. Had Sony launched the PS3 first, things would be different.

We'll see.

All I know is that when the PS3 gets its titles, the 360 will get more titles like Mass Effect, Crackdown, and Halo 3. The PS3 won't catch up for a while.

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[QUOTE="Rashpal"]Taking aside your point about PSP (however valid that may be) it's not really a question of what it'll be known for, rather what it will be sold as (a quick look at the latest Beyon3D trailer should give you a hint as to what that is). It's all well and good saying "what little there is" but at this early a stage I don't think any educated observer would expect more from the leading games manufacturer. As a purest you may like to under sell the multimedia capabilities of the system but these capabilities will distinguish it from the competition. There' no question of Sony's credentials at delivering strong gaming content, so overtime it'll be the hardware in combination with the appropriate software that will take the system beyond the status of a gaming console and to that of a multimedia hub. It may seem like a pipe dream but it is one much more exciting than the standard gaming device.Rashpal

Playstation will always be known as a game console. No matter what they add to it and market it as, people will still be buying it as a game console, and they'll most likely be disappointed with the PS3 not being superior in any way related to games. A lesser library, an inferior online service, and graphics that are merely equal with the $400 360, instead of the 4D with the Cell and all that, that they were promised. I, and many others certainly expected more. How can it go beyond the status of a game console when it's struggling at being a game console alone?

It's just the truth. The consumer isn't going to see "Just wait, great games are coming in '07," they see "Well, the 360 has more games and it's cheaper."

It's completely fair. The 360 got a headstart, and that was a brilliant move. Had Sony launched the PS3 first, things would be different.

Taking aside your point about PSP (however valid that may be) it's not really a question of what it'll be known for, rather what it will be sold as (a quick look at the latest Beyon3D trailer should give you a hint as to what that is). It's all well and good saying "what little there is" but at this early a stage I don't think any educated observer would expect more from the leading games manufacturer. As a purest you may like to under sell the multimedia capabilities of the system but these capabilities will distinguish it from the competition. There' no question of Sony's credentials at delivering strong gaming content, so overtime it'll be the hardware in combination with the appropriate software that will take the system beyond the status of a gaming console and to that of a multimedia hub. It may seem like a pipe dream but it is one much more exciting than the standard gaming device.Rashpal

Playstation will always be known as a game console. No matter what they add to it and market it as, people will still be buying it as a game console, and they'll most likely be disappointed with the PS3 not being superior in any way related to games. A lesser library, an inferior online service, and graphics that are merely equal with the $400 360, instead of the 4D with the Cell and all that, that they were promised. I, and many others certainly expected more. How can it go beyond the status of a game console when it's struggling at being a game console alone?

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[QUOTE="Rashpal"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]PC. Why do you need a game console to do everything outside of cooking your breakfast, when you're (most likely) typing on something that already can?Rashpal

Still, it seems unnecessary. If a game console can do that, that's cool, but multimedia features shouldn't be high on your list of requirements when buying a console to play games.

The PS3 has major competition, and yet Sony seems to be focusing on the "multimedia machine" and not the "game console." The PSP is a multimedia machine. Didn't seem to help it that much, and that's because when it comes to multimedia, you have iPods and laptops and other things that people associate with "multimedia." The Playstation will be known as a "game console," and looking at it that way, it's damn expensive for what little there is.

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]PC. Why do you need a game console to do everything outside of cooking your breakfast, when you're (most likely) typing on something that already can?Rashpal

Still, it seems unnecessary. If a game console can do that, that's cool, but multimedia features shouldn't be high on your list of requirements when buying a console to play games.

[QUOTE="mvent2"]To elaborate, those games don't use the Wii's capability's to the fullest. I could pull up PD0 screens and say the 360 is an Xbox 1.5. But then a lemming will bring up Gears. Why? Because Gears fully utilises the 360 whereas PD0 doesn't. Just like how no game made so far maxes out the Wii.spyrosklaou

What's it like to be ignorant? I'm really interested.