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#1 Ultimate-Playa
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[QUOTE="Ultimate-Playa"] stuff

SEANMCAD

Here is what is going to happen. Software engineers from India WILL make software and what they make WILL make a profit becuase they are cheaper.

Our choice is to either get in on that action or be a victim of that action.

The best way to "protect" a job is to have a golbal adjusted economy and skills.

Quality versus Quantity. I'll take Microsoft over Indiasoft any day.
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Ultimate-Playa"] Every job taken by an immigrant is a job not taken by an potential American. Just because we are a nation of immigrants doesn't mean the entire world should immigrate here.SEANMCAD

Again, immigrants are brought in to do jobs that Americans aren't doing. Simple as that. America's construction industry was dead until italian immigrants arrived in the 19th and 20th century. The exact same principle exists today; you cant just let jobs go unfilled because a "potential american" might do it someday. If someone has a job which needs doing and nobody wants to do it, you have an immigrant take that job. Just think about the logic for a second; if there was a job which an existing american citizen wanted to do, and could do, why would the government bring an immigrant in and give it to them instead? Where's the logic there? You add to the population, you have an unemployed american who's a burden on the government... nothing good is achieved. Nobody would adopt that practice. Like the whitehouse site says; skilled immigrants who can work in this country will be allowed in, because more people working, earning, spending and paying taxes is a good thing, ESPECIALLY during a recession.

Although I actually support immigration becuase if you dont become a world community eventually the world will economically catch up anyway. I do think its important to point out that immigrates DONT only take jobs americans will not do.

I am a software developer and I can directly tell you that there are a lot of software developers from india here in the US and even more who wish they could. NO job is safe from global economic equalization.

Unless we take on sensible protectionist economy which protect jobs for Americans. An American is a sell-out if he doesn't care if an immigrant takes a job here. Think about other Americans who would want similar jobs but they were taken by immigrants.
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] . Also, the "they took our jobs" arguement is so archaic i'm surprised it's still even in existance.LosDaddie

You must not listen to the nutjobs on AM radio or watch Fox News much then. It's a common talking point.

That argument (while it does have some merit) is a cornerstone fo the Repub platform. And it's part of the reason why Repubs lost so badly on Nov 4th as Hispanics moved away from the Repub ticket.

If they were legal then they wouldn't mind voting for the Republican ticket. Not to mention McCain was a horrible candidate anyhow.
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[QUOTE="Ultimate-Playa"] Every job taken by an immigrant is a job not taken by an potential American. Just because we are a nation of immigrants doesn't mean the entire world should immigrate here.Ninja-Hippo
Again, immigrants are brought in to do jobs that Americans aren't doing. Simple as that. America's construction industry was dead until italian immigrants arrived in the 19th and 20th century. The exact same principle exists today; you cant just let jobs go unfilled because a "potential american" might do it someday. If someone has a job which needs doing and nobody wants to do it, you have an immigrant take that job. Just think about the logic for a second; if there was a job which an existing american citizen wanted to do, and could do, why would the government bring an immigrant in and give it to them instead? Where's the logic there? You add to the population, you have an unemployed american who's a burden on the government... nothing good is achieved. Nobody would adopt that practice. Like the whitehouse site says; skilled immigrants who can work in this country will be allowed in, because more people working, earning, spending and paying taxes is a good thing, ESPECIALLY during a recession.

During a recession there are no new jobs being created in fact job opportunities are being shrunk. Please let me know of a special kind of recession that promotes economic growth. Our economy is NOT growing and therefore no additional jobs will be available for immigrants. Immigrants will only take sparse jobs available in a recession.
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[QUOTE="Ultimate-Playa"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

The irony is too rich! :lol:

LosDaddie

Just because I put Bush in my avatar and sig means I think he's the best president? NO, he's there for satire.

If you say so :roll:

Is this line also for satire?: "Our most awesome and patriotic American president in history".

Yes, if you cannot comprehend satire then need to go to your local English community class.
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[QUOTE="Ultimate-Playa"]LOL, re-read the article and it was about the democratic convention. I'm sure that it was also ghostwritten by that same writer who wrote his inaugural speech. From my article, In composing the high notes of the speech, Obama has leant on Favreau, whom he discovered almost by chance four years ago when the younger man was working on John Kerry's failed presidential bid. "Favs" has since studied Obama's speech patterns and cadences with the intensity of a stalker. He memorised the 2004 speech to the Democratic national convention which first brought Obama into the limelight. Engrish_Major
Ghostwritten? It is from Time magazine. The point is that Obama USED to write speeches in their entirety. However, over time, as he gained more and more responsibility, he has had to relinquish the duties to others that have writing skills similar to his own. What is hard to understand about that?

LOL, sure I HIGHLY doubt that Obama's material was his own. You go ahead and go rah rah obama rah rah.
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Ultimate-Playa"] I have no problem with qualified legal immigrants however I do have a problem with current Mexican invasion and wholesale legal immigration of unskilled workers.

What does microsoft cutting jobs have to do with immigration? Nobody is going to be applying for citizenship to be a software engineer. Unskilled workers simply do not get into the states unless there is a job they can fill. Illegal immigrants is a different story, but that's obviously a whole other issue. Nobody is going to allow more people into the states if there's no job for them to fill. Simple as that. Also, the "they took our jobs" arguement is so archaic i'm surprised it's still even in existance.

Every job taken by an immigrant is a job not taken by an potential American. Just because we are a nation of immigrants doesn't mean the entire world should immigrate here.
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Ultimate-Playa"] It is, the article said that Obama wrote his inaugural speech. He didn't.

No it doesn't. It says he wrote his acceptance speech. He doesn't have as much time to do so anymore, being that he is president and all.

Pssh, Favreau wrote his 2004 convention speech I'm sure he HAD a lot of time back then.
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[QUOTE="Ultimate-Playa"]

I am NOT impressed by elected presidents who can't write their own speeches and have to rely on others to do their job.

LosDaddie

The irony is too rich! :lol:

Just because I put Bush in my avatar and sig means I think he's the best president? NO, he's there for satire.