[QUOTE="rybe1025"]Do PS3 fans care about anything other then non-gameplay graphics with GT? I am serious. I never see talk about A.I., physics, customization, or anything. Only thing the GT fans talk about are hey look at this non-gameplay pic.Tragic_Kingdom7

I've observed this as well. Forza fans generally have fleshed-out arguments while GT fans come with weaksauce.

I think it's because the majority of Forza fans started out as GT fans and migrated to Forza when they either got fed up with the lack of improvements in the GT franchise (other than graphics), moved to the competing console, or simply found a better product in Forza. Forza fanboys tend to rarely say GT sucks, but instead say both are great games, but I prefer the direction Forza has gone. Whereas, as near as I can tell, most GT fanboys haven't tried Forza and simply blindly swallow the PR load that PD spews onto their plate.

I could be wrong and it could just be that the highly vocal minority of GT fanboys have made it seem this way.

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[QUOTE="walkingdream"] I don't know why that silly argument got a foothold. Be it the fault of overly defensive cows or lemmings, do you honestly care that much about a peripheral visual effect? It's like the paint scraping in Forza, no one gave a **** when it wasn't in Forza 2 and no one will give a **** when it's not in Forza 3 either.

[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]right because adding skins which has nothing to do with gameplay takes 2-3 years.stylesPS3

Fortunately for people like you there are settings via the dashboard that would inhibit other players liveries from showing up in your game. What next pathetic argument are you going to try now?

I'm a fan of GT and of the quality of the product PD puts out. But I'm not a fan of how they continue to string us along with bread crumbs and broken promises. I no longer believe anything of what PD tells us and until I actually play the game or see definitive in game footage detailing lots of the features that have been promised to us I won't believe that they'll actually be in the game.

Having reached my breaking point with how this company operates, my question is this: If you haven't reached your breaking point, what will it take before you continue to blindy swallow everything they say? I'm at the point where I really don't want to buy this game, but unfortunately, I know that I will.

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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] excuuuuuse me but im thinking about forza 3, which actually interests me enough as a system seller for 360. i would like to know if the landing damage compares to GT5 showed. is that too much? what i DONT want is people trying to trick me into thinking its the same kind of damage when it has to do with my money, so if its too much to provide proof, then why are you even replying?stylesPS3

Internets is serious business. I think you mistook me, I wasn't implying you. I was talking about fanboys in general.

As far as the realism of damage goes, I'd say Forza2 provides the most realistic version of damage (flying damage included) in a console simulation racer available today.

Hard to say because...

1) I don't believe that everything we saw in the GT5 video is in game. In this case specifically the damage and air time shot(And I won't debate this, it's simply what I believe for right or wrong).

2) The shot in question was super quick and you couldn't really see what happened.

3) Forza2 didn't have WRC and the effects of a dirt road and rally car would be different from concrete or tarmac.

If I had to compare them, I'd say they're pretty muchthe same. Dented hoods and scratched body paint. Forza might even be a touch beyond because the bumper would probably have flown off and bounced around. Personally, I love the parts flying off. It just looks and sounds cool. Hope that helps.

edit: I'm also only talking about the visibe damage. In Forza2, you'd have damaged your suspension and aero landing a jump like that with non-cosmetic damage turned on.

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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] not just you, im saying any lemming usually jumps in, surprised no one has yet so im guessing yea

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They probably jump in because people who clearly haven't played the game are badmouthing it and spewing untruths. It'd be another thing if these people actually played the game and came to those conclusion for themselves. This goes for both sides.

Internets is serious business. I think you mistook me, I wasn't implying you. I was talking about fanboys in general.

As far as the realism of damage goes, I'd say Forza2 provides the most realistic version of damage (flying damage included) in a console simulation racer available today.

I won't care, but I fully expect that a singularity would form right here in system wars and the universe would be consumed. For the sake of all life, I hope it's a tie or a blowout.

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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] so im guessing its not that realistic? because usually lemmings are all over it if theres even the slightest chance at any kind of evidencestylesPS3

Not sure why you're calling me a lemming, as all I'm saying is that you should judge the results for yourself and form your own opinion. Is it possible to like Forza and not be a lemming? Is it possible to like GT5 and not be a cow? I guess your stance is pretty obvious. Either way, I plan on playing most racing games on either platform.

They probably jump in because people who clearly haven't played the game are badmouthing it and spewing untruths. It'd be another thing if these people actually played the game and came to those conclusion for themselves. This goes for both sides.

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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"] may we see this please? im just curious IF it is true how realistic it would be compared to what we saw with GT5stylesPS3

Go play Forza2. Develop your own opinion about how realistic it is. And we haven't seen anything other than a concept video about GT5, so I'm not in a position to compare theForza2 implementation with something that I haven't played and may or may not be in game.

Not sure why you're calling me a lemming, as all I'm saying is that you should judge the results for yourself and form your own opinion. Is it possible to like Forza and not be a lemming? Is it possible to like GT5 and not be a cow? I guess your stance is pretty obvious. Either way, I plan on playing most racing games on either platform.

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[QUOTE="stylesPS3"]not only does it have damage, it has something that forza doesnt have, landing damage if you take too big of jumps.stylesPS3

Arguments are getting pretty thin. Forza2 would indeed impart damage if you'd landed a jump roughly. Although the only jump I can recall is taking the Laguna Seca corkscrew backwards. But it would most certainly cause damage.

Go play Forza2. Develop your own opinion about how realistic it is. And we haven't seen anything other than a concept video about GT5, so I'm not in a position to compare theForza2 implementation with something that I haven't played and may or may not be in game.

not only does it have damage, it has something that forza doesnt have, landing damage if you take too big of jumps.stylesPS3

Arguments are getting pretty thin. Forza2 would indeed impart damage if you'd landed a jump roughly. Although the only jump I can recall is taking the Laguna Seca corkscrew backwards. But it would most certainly cause damage.