[QUOTE="Xeilia"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]As I said, what's so wrong about defying nature? Also why are we morally obliged to breed? People who are infertile through health problems can't breed, I don't see you arguing that they're bad people.Funky_Llama
Infertile people due to health problems are not what I'm talking about, bringing them up is irrelevant. You asked me why I think being gay is wrong. One of the reasons is related to gay marriage, the breeding point is mostly directed to those who support gay marriage. I said they don't breed because the purpose of marriage between two individuals is to make a family (I am not talking about infertile people again...), so If gay marriage is allowed that purpose is gone. and It would be also confusing if they adopt a child since he'll be having 2 dads. Ultimately, I still believe that defying nature is absolutely wrong.
Believe me, I have nothing against you personally.
It's not irrelevant, since you condemned homosexuals for not being able to breed. This implies that not being able to breed is immoral. This in turn implies that any infertile people are immoral. We know that this is not true, this it cannot be true to say that being unable to breed makes gay people immoral. It'd be inconsistent to condemn gays for something and no one else. Either not being able to breed is wrong or it isn't. You can't have it both ways (no pun intended :P). As for marriage - actually marriage isn't intended to make a family, and it's possible to be gay without getting married anyway. Besides which, I think it's pretty unnatural to, say, eat your food with a knife and fork. Or live in a house. Or use a toilet. Or use a PC. None of those are immoral and I daresay you do all of them. Also I know you don't have nothing against me personally, since I'm not gay :P I'm sorry I really though you're gay because you're defending them fiercely :D
Infertile women/men are considered sick. It's not immoral. If you read my first post, I mentioned people who were born with some "intersex" case or sexual confusion. I didn't declare them immoral, it wasn't their choice. I didn't type the word "Immoral" in ANY of my posts nor that I implied it. Besides my friend, marriage is usually connected closely with making a family. We all know that. How did we all come to life? Unless if your parents are still single, that's another case. To make it clear to all of you, I think that It's natural for the human mind to progress and to find better ways of providing convenience to life (toilets,PCs,Cars...etc).Nevertheless, I can't find being gay related to that or to toilets or PCs, sorry. I believe that the nature of human straight sexuality that men are attracted to women and vise versa. If you're with defying the human sexual nature then I assume you're with men attracted to children for example?
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