[QUOTE="Yeakob"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Ah, I see you fixed my complaint.

I will be 23 in a few days. Sorry, don't fit in your young category. I grew up with the Intellivision and NES around me. However, I am not a slave to nostalgia, and will readily admit gaming today is more enjoyable on the whole to me than gaming in the past was.

SpruceCaboose

Themoddingcommunitiesarethrivingand I see more and more interesting ideas as time goes by. In that regard, I agree. But I wonder if that makes older games obsolete and unplayable. I know there aren't many games on the NES that I can play, the Megaman series isanexception.Tome,theNESisobsolete.Thoughtherearesomegreatgamesonit,mostofthemaretoosimplisticforme.

Iwouldliketobelievethat2dgameswere in its prime during the SNES era. The DS hascontributedwithsomenicetitlesbutwehaven'tseenanygreatprogress,really.Theolder3dgamesareobsolete,maybe, compared to the juggernauts of today.

Space bar, man, space bar!

Older titles can be great. But that does not mean I want new games to emulate them. I like having new great games, and the option to replay "classic" games of years past as well.

Hah, I think Opera doesn't want to co-operate.

I wonder how good a game "really" is, if new generations will always be able to enjoy them if they play them with an open mind. Or if it's only nostalgia playing tricks on us.

I think anyone whose first experience with games was the PS1/N64 generation should be considered part of the "young generation of gamers."mjarantilla

I myself played the NES and the PC for a very long time. I'm only 19 but I have played most of what gaming history has to offer. When I said "young generation" I'm talking about those who have only experienced hi-resolution 3d games, mostly on consoles.

Ah, I see you fixed my complaint.

I will be 23 in a few days. Sorry, don't fit in your young category. I grew up with the Intellivision and NES around me. However, I am not a slave to nostalgia, and will readily admit gaming today is more enjoyable on the whole to me than gaming in the past was.

SpruceCaboose

The modding communities are thriving and I see more and more interesting ideas as time goes by. In that regard, I agree. But I wonder if that makes older games obsolete and unplayable. I know there aren't many games on the NES that I can play, the Megaman series is an exception.To me, the NES is obsolete.Though there are some great games on it, most of them are too simplistic for me.

I would like to believe that 2d games were in its prime during the SNES era. The DS has contributed with some nice titles but we haven't seen any great progress, really.The older 3d games are obsolete, maybe, compared to the juggernauts of today.

I sincerely hope there are not that many 12 year olds on here.BambooBanger

From what I've read, I bet there are.

Anyone born 1995 or later, please speak up. What do you think about the Super Nintendo, Nintendo 64 or the Playstation 1. To blurt out some of the biggest names, Final Fantasy 7, Super Mario World, Megaman X, Goldeneye 64, Super Mario 64, LoZ: Ocarina of Time, Chrono Trigger and Metal Gear Solid, what do you think about these titles? The reason I'm asking is because I can play all of these titles and enjoy them tremendously, but I wonder if it's only because of nostalgia or if they stand up to the games of today. The Nintendo 64 and the Playstation 1 are both processing 3d games that pale in comparison to the games of today, and I can see how the consoles really limited the gameplay in some ways. But isn't the SNES the console of choice if you want some great 2d games? I can't think of many 2d games in these days that compares to those of the SNES. Please, enlighten me you youngins.

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[QUOTE="meetroid8"]Actually if you check vgcharts Wii sales are far higher than PS3 sales.Khanezhyray

lol @ the TC just pulling that "fact" out of his ass

i guess if i were a cow, i'd probably have to resort to flat out lying too

because the truth is the PS3 has zero AAA exclusives, is dead last in hardware sales, dead last in software sales, and has the least number of AA-AAA exclusives of the three consoles.

ouch....yeah i guess if i were a cow, i wouldn't want to face reality either :lol:

I guess if I were a sheep I'd have to resort to shooting myself in the foot. Numerous times. Until I stopped being a fanboy.

An ignorant, foolish fanboy.

Hence the term fanboy. You're a fan with the maturity of a pre-puebescent. Congratulations!

But, 99% of sheeps are less mature than other fanboys... making them-- what-- having maturity equivalent to that of a 8 year old?

I fail to recognize the mature themes of the PS3/XBOX360 game libraries. Enlighten me on what insightful and mature games they have to offer, that the Wii games library can't. Note that the definition of mature gaming doesn't equal graphic visuals or frantic button pressing, but rather the ability to cater to mature minds and pay detail to elements that only a mature mind could enjoy.

[QUOTE="Planeforger"]

[QUOTE="-Wheels-"]Sounds like a new Elderscrolls game. They aren't far off from that already.WheresMyChippy

Oh, and the fact that your hero has absolutely no personality, and the writing is generally poor.

Come to think of it...I agree with you, the Elder Scrolls series isn't 'far off' from what the TC posted - it's 'extremely distant', and accelerating in the other direction.

Yeah many would say that Oblivion was "consolized" (I think thats what I heard it called?) stripped down to make it less complicated and have more mass appeal. Seemed to work, as the game sold like crazy. I guess RPGs with really deep, complex RPG elements are more of a niche genre now, so there just aren't too many developers out there trying to innovate in that field. Its a shame really. Even Fallout 3 looks like its going to get chopped down for better mass appeal.

Haha, it's not often I see such ruthless talk of Oblivions RPG elements go unnoticed.. Of course I agree. Would nothing less than love to see RPGs take a new turn, away from action based game design and mmorpg settings. We need solid script and solid design that isn't covered by pr talk that's telling you that EVERYTHING is possible. That is, knocking a mace in the head of the hostess while her husband sits by patiently asking you what you're doing in their house.

Games like Fallout, Arcanum and Bloodlines do have these features (to some degree), but not in anywhere near as much detail as you're describing.

If Troika hadn't shut down, they would've been the guys to make this game. Now that there are only a handful of great WRPG developers left (well, Bioware, and...?), we're not going to be seeing anything like this for a looong time, if at all.

Planeforger

When the game generations grow up maybe they'll be looking for more than high definition entertainment? With a documentary you are given the time to reflect upon many different issues, maybe games will give birth to interactive self-exploration or programs with the ability to simulate actual events as they would REALLY happen without sacrificing elements for entertaining game mechanics. I think sandbox games such as GTA is a sign of what will come.

But yes, I agree, it will be a long time until we're there I'm afraid..

-EDIT, the programs that simulate actual events are obviously called SIMULATORS. But highly advanced simulators that are published and labeled in a store for the public to buy as simulation programs with the point to reenact the actual event without sacrificing ANYTHING for entertainment could pass of as a new generation of games. In the same way we read factual books, we could play factual games.