[QUOTE="Zetabyte91"][QUOTE="TE_Lawrence"][QUOTE="Zetabyte91"][QUOTE="mindworm22"]Read up if you haven't seen it....Lol this is funny because 360 uses a triple core oh and this is old news but the Xenos uses 3 (downscaled) G5 cores while we are talking about a triple core x86 chipst CPU from Intell. lol it really dose'nt make that much of a difference 3 cores in one die all 360's cores have are AI while Cell has everything else and if you ask me Resistance had pretty good AI Hmm, I meand Xenon. :) sorry about the typo. Anyway do not be mistaken, though lacking branch predicton and having "small" registers the SPEs are quite good at AI. So good that there's no reason to run the AI om the PPE. All the AI in Heavenly Sword is soly run on SPE. hmm I thought The SPE's were not able to handle AI due to the FACt the SPE's arent able to read or compute AI DATa though i may be mistaken
http://ps3.qj.net/Havok-4-5-Enjoy-ALL-your-SPUs-in-FULL-PS3/pg/49/aid/80351
If this is indeed true, imagine the gameplay and eye candy that will come with those developers that can harnass the power appropriately? I do take this with a grain of salt since it is from the developer, but 5-10x faster than a triple core? That's mightly impressive.
TE_Lawrence
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[QUOTE="rahzel54"][QUOTE="washimul"][QUOTE="rahzel54"]washimul, i'm a huge sony fanboy, but even i know the ps3 is not that much more powerful than the 360. on paper, yes, the ps3 is more powerful as it has more raw horsepower. however, the Xenos is more efficient than RSX because of its unified shaders and 10mb of edram making it a tad better than RSX imo. i agree that Cell is better than Xenon, but not by the amount you make it out to be. and because Cell can assist RSX, i think that makes up for it being not as efficient as the Xenos. i think the ps3 has the potential to be 10%-15% better than the 360 overall, but only time will tell. some things, the 360 excels in and some things the ps3 excels in. but we at least know that it will be at least on par with the 360.washimul
eDRAM is useless at 1080p..........edram is there to make up for the lack of video bandwidth
25g/s +22g/s vs 22g/s
the UNIFIED shaders used in XENOS are weak and non dedicated.........the 28 vertex shaders + 8 pixel shaders used in ps3 are dedicated.
dont compare the UNIFIED architecture of 8800gtx with XENOS ( lol)
RSX has the highest dimension till date (258 mm2)
UBISOFT is seeking the help of SONY engineers to maximize the shader performance of RSX>..................RSX has been changed too............IT has more prpgrammable an d non programmable flops compared to XENOS
i didn't directly compare Xenos' Unified shaders to RSX' dedicated shaders... i know that 1 of RSX' shaders pretty much equals 2 of Xenos' Unified shaders. however, because they can be used for pixel or vertex, it makes it more efficient. RSX theoretically has more shader power, but Xenos is more efficient and will be slightly better in most cases. having a unified shader architecture must be a good config as the G80 and R600 are also using it. i also said where the RSX lacks as far as efficiency, it makes up for it with the ability to work with Cell. again, i agree that Cell is better than Xenon though. you have your opinion, i have mine. i didn't say RSX was far weaker than Xenos, i said Xenos has an edge.XENOS has 0 edge over RSX.
at 1080p RSX + CELL combo would estroy the quad+8800 combo.
future games are running at 1080i/p..........so XENON would have no edge.
even at 720p when u apply massive enemy AI/ extensive physics calculation.......the edge fades to zero.
but well if you are taking a generic game like FNR3.............at 720 p XENOS has the edge................at 1080p RSX has the edge.
NOTE: -1080p at 60fps is only possible on ps3.
http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/30-10-2006-3931.html
i'm sorry but your wrong a quad 8800 setup would kill PS3's grafx in every way possible Here are some real numbers Ps3 has a total system Bandwidth of 48 GB per second while xbox 360 has a total of 278.4 GB per second over here it might seem like a big loss for ps3 but it isn’t 256 GB of 360's total system bandwidth is the eDRAM communicating with logic which only 10 mb that contribute only to a small amount of graphics and is all going on inside the gpu now if you subtract 256 from the 278 you get 22 GB per second of system bandwidth which is really what it is. now the gpu is the only thing that can communicate with the ram and it can do it at a total of 22 GB per second the gpu communicates with the cpu at 20 GB per seconds this is for the 360 now all those numbers equal more the total system bandwidth this is because each of those numbers are the top speeds of each individual part they cant all reach the top speed at the same time and the eDRAM is always going at its top speed. now for the ps3 it has 48 GB of total system bandwidth it can communicate between cell and RSX at a total of 35 GB per second compared with 360's 20 and the cell can access its ram at 25 GB per second and RSX can access its ram at 22 GB per second now remember these are just top speeds all parts cant run at there top speed at the same time also that total number represents incoming and outgoing data.[QUOTE="Zetabyte91"][QUOTE="washimul"][QUOTE="rahzel54"]washimul, i'm a huge sony fanboy, but even i know the ps3 is not that much more powerful than the 360. on paper, yes, the ps3 is more powerful as it has more raw horsepower. however, the Xenos is more efficient than RSX because of its unified shaders and 10mb of edram making it a tad better than RSX imo. i agree that Cell is better than Xenon, but not by the amount you make it out to be. and because Cell can assist RSX, i think that makes up for it being not as efficient as the Xenos. i think the ps3 has the potential to be 10%-15% better than the 360 overall, but only time will tell. some things, the 360 excels in and some things the ps3 excels in. but we at least know that it will be at least on par with the 360.washimul
eDRAM is useless at 1080p..........edram is there to make up for the lack of video bandwidth
25g/s +22g/s vs 22g/s
the UNIFIED shaders used in XENOS are weak and non dedicated.........the 28 vertex shaders + 8 pixel shaders used in ps3 are dedicated.
dont compare the UNIFIED architecture of 8800gtx with XENOS ( lol)
RSX has the highest dimension till date (258 mm2)
UBISOFT is seeking the help of SONY engineers to maximize the shader performance of RSX>..................RSX has been changed too............IT has more prpgrammable an d non programmable flops compared to XENOS
Im sorry to say this but you are mistaken Xenos has the upper hand but you are right about The eDRAM it is quite useless. plus pple may think the PS3 Has a bad memory (RAM) setup but it is actually far superior to the 360's PS3 eliminates bottleneck SUch as 360's CPU to GPU already suffers low bandwidth but now wat if 360's CPU needs more ram the ram will have to communicate through the GPU making Total Bandwidth even lower.RSX is connected to 2 rams......the bridge between the XDR is what makes a difference.
at 3.2 ghz ........XDR can send data is the form of 16 packets............the execution takes 1/5 as the total time by GDDR 3 or GDDR4.
eDRAM is effective but not at TRUE HD at 1080p at 60fps.
at 720 p sure eDRAM would come in handy.
eDRAM dosent even function at 1080p[QUOTE="rahzel54"]washimul, i'm a huge sony fanboy, but even i know the ps3 is not that much more powerful than the 360. on paper, yes, the ps3 is more powerful as it has more raw horsepower. however, the Xenos is more efficient than RSX because of its unified shaders and 10mb of edram making it a tad better than RSX imo. i agree that Cell is better than Xenon, but not by the amount you make it out to be. and because Cell can assist RSX, i think that makes up for it being not as efficient as the Xenos. i think the ps3 has the potential to be 10%-15% better than the 360 overall, but only time will tell. some things, the 360 excels in and some things the ps3 excels in. but we at least know that it will be at least on par with the 360.washimul
this is why:
ps3 is the only consumer hardware to run HAVOK 4.5 at optimum speed.
RIDGE RACER 7 at 1080p at 60fps is only possible on ps3..........:)
http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/30-10-2006-3931.html
no AI in GEARS/ no PHYSICS in GEARS.
LAIR is only possible on ps3.
DMC 4 and FF13 only possible on ps3.
I know it hurts you to see that x360 is wayy inferior to ps3 but facts are facts
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cellperf/ ...............this is from IBM manufacturer of both XENON AND CELL
http://www.mc.com/cell/
http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/LBLTalk.pdf
http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/EDGE06_abstract.pdf
CELL is 50x more powerful than the CONROE 2..............RAPIDMIND and UI both claims ps3 to be a powerful supercomputer
http://ps3.qj.net/RapidMind-Terra-Soft-to-make-PS3-Linux-devkit/pg/49/aid/79090
http://www.consumerelectronicsnet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=96305
http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2007/02/04/ibm_taps_local_researchers_to_turn_playstation_3_chip_to_science
overall: the ps3 is between 3x---10x as powerful as the x360
CELL is 20x (minimum ) more powerful than XENON
dude shut up half of those documents are outdated and are based on another version of the cell with all 8 SPU's active and with a higher cloak speed ps3 is about 5 times more powerful 360 end of story[QUOTE="rahzel54"]washimul, i'm a huge sony fanboy, but even i know the ps3 is not that much more powerful than the 360. on paper, yes, the ps3 is more powerful as it has more raw horsepower. however, the Xenos is more efficient than RSX because of its unified shaders and 10mb of edram making it a tad better than RSX imo. i agree that Cell is better than Xenon, but not by the amount you make it out to be. and because Cell can assist RSX, i think that makes up for it being not as efficient as the Xenos. i think the ps3 has the potential to be 10%-15% better than the 360 overall, but only time will tell. some things, the 360 excels in and some things the ps3 excels in. but we at least know that it will be at least on par with the 360.washimul
eDRAM is useless at 1080p..........edram is there to make up for the lack of video bandwidth
25g/s +22g/s vs 22g/s
the UNIFIED shaders used in XENOS are weak and non dedicated.........the 28 vertex shaders + 8 pixel shaders used in ps3 are dedicated.
dont compare the UNIFIED architecture of 8800gtx with XENOS ( lol)
RSX has the highest dimension till date (258 mm2)
UBISOFT is seeking the help of SONY engineers to maximize the shader performance of RSX>..................RSX has been changed too............IT has more prpgrammable an d non programmable flops compared to XENOS
Im sorry to say this but you are mistaken Xenos has the upper hand but you are right about The eDRAM it is quite useless. plus pple may think the PS3 Has a bad memory (RAM) setup but it is actually far superior to the 360's PS3 eliminates bottleneck SUch as 360's CPU to GPU already suffers low bandwidth but now wat if 360's CPU needs more ram the ram will have to communicate through the GPU making Total Bandwidth even lower.[QUOTE="Zetabyte91"][QUOTE="mindworm22"]Read up if you haven't seen it....Lol this is funny because 360 uses a triple core oh and this is old news but the Xenos uses 3 (downscaled) G5 cores while we are talking about a triple core x86 chipst CPU from Intell. lol it really dose'nt make that much of a difference 3 cores in one die all 360's cores have are AI while Cell has everything else and if you ask me Resistance had pretty good AI
http://ps3.qj.net/Havok-4-5-Enjoy-ALL-your-SPUs-in-FULL-PS3/pg/49/aid/80351
If this is indeed true, imagine the gameplay and eye candy that will come with those developers that can harnass the power appropriately? I do take this with a grain of salt since it is from the developer, but 5-10x faster than a triple core? That's mightly impressive.
TE_Lawrence
[QUOTE="masterofTS"][QUOTE="monco59"][QUOTE="casey7672"]PS3 is powerful. Programmers just have to know how to utilize its power. I believe it is about 20% more powerful than 360. Great find, thanks. EyeNixonThis post doesnt really answer his question..... As for my answer...could be. First of all its published by EA and we all know allmost every game EA publishes gets ported to some system. Secondly i've heard this is coming to the 360 so it is possible also for the ps3.
PS.
I wouldnt say 20%....thats a bit too steep more like 3-5%
Right now it might be 3-5% with launch games but eventually it will be way more when programmers learn how to crack into the PS3's power.
Then developers will have done the same with the 360 and it will still only be 3%-5%.
nope your wrong ps3 has far more potential 360 used up most of its power playing GEOW so its on short leash ps3 has leaps and jumps more
i thought 1080i was betterandrewwg941080i was created to have a cheaper HD in slow moving smooth soft environments 10801 looks better but when there are a lot of things going on 720p looks better
Read up if you haven't seen it....Lol this is funny because 360 uses a triple core oh and this is old news
http://ps3.qj.net/Havok-4-5-Enjoy-ALL-your-SPUs-in-FULL-PS3/pg/49/aid/80351
If this is indeed true, imagine the gameplay and eye candy that will come with those developers that can harnass the power appropriately? I do take this with a grain of salt since it is from the developer, but 5-10x faster than a triple core? That's mightly impressive.
mindworm22
I read a comment of the creators of crysis some months back and he said he doesn't look to release crysis on either the ps3 or th3e 360 because neither was powerful enough to support what crysis can do.SmoothBrother1Well i'd have to say thats total bull the cell is more powerful than any desktop processor and RSX is about equivalent to a 7900 Cuppled wit cell its got got about the same potential as an 8800 the only thing that is laking is ram and there are ways to get around that
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