Hmm, I didn't enjoy the heaven poem a great deal, but it's due to a matter of taste! I prefer when your poems are telling more of a story; to me that's when they work best. 

Perhaps I would have got something more out of it if I was religious, though.

Black Swan poem I enjoyed, though. Especially the second half. :)

Foolz3h

Ah yes, the heaven poem I almost did not post here, simply because it was more or less a brainstorm. But I thought, why not? So anyhow, I can understand why it would be an oddball, because it is lol. Glad you enjoyed the Black Swan poem though, did you see the movie?

Thanks for your reply, and I look forward to more poetry :)optiow

No problem! :D

Here's my newest poem, I wrote it today after being inspired by watching "Black Swan". Hope you guys enjoy it! :)

          NightShade.

Forget the fog,
Forget the quotations,
If I were you,
I'd even
Forget the generalizations.

Night,
Sweeps the souls with delusions and horror,
Sometimes, a crack in reality encourages
While, in others, it will commit
To suicide;
The suicide of a shade in the Night.

~ Nightingale

Was her name;
She,
A creature of light,
Sought salvation amidst the night.
Her pale wings
    (Bred to fly)
Stuck to her heart;
    - Too cold to move out. -
Calling her,
The moon shone it's casting rays,
To catch her lest she fall.

In the moments of sacrifice,
She perched upon madness,
Soaring above all temptation
Seeing it through
To perfection.


 

May I ask what your concept of hell is, A#?

I understand your logic in your argument, especially with the All-Powerful Creator controling everything. That does make sense to me. However, forgive me when I say this, but to me I just don't care. I am here to fight for a new world, and in my opinion, religion comes in secondplace to politiis.

optiow

I get what you're saying. To me, religion isn't important at all, but since I can not ignore my views of reality (which include God) I believe that in order to live forever and be a part of His future plan, I must prove I am worthy, besides, I agree with everything I have read in His bible. 

My concept on Hell is limited, in that I do not believe in hell. My interpretation of the bible is this: at the judgement, we are deemed worthy of eternity or not. If we are not, God snuffs us out like flames and we exist no longer, because His plan is forward-thinking, plus logically it does not make sense that the same God who has such love also would put family members of the damned (who made it into heaven) through the excruciating existence of having to see their once-loved ones tortured for all eternity. That and about 50 scriptural references that say that when deemed unworthy we are cast into the fire and are destroyed, versus the none that mention hell as an actual destination that we simply rot in for all eternity.I understand that christianity believes such and such, but all I can say is they have derived that from paganism and make the leap based on some scriptures that hint, whereas my conclusions are solid.

If man was created to follow orders, then why were we given emotions and a rational mind? waZelda

This is true, however I believe it is alluding to the inherent evil that resides in all of us. 

What do I mean by that? Simply this: that every one of us has a force inside of us trying to get us to choose wrongly. You speak of spreading the word of God, in my observation it has been spread already. You speak of people choosing or even knowing what is right or wrong, in my opinion people have this as well. The only thing that can save us is a complete submission to God (and by consequence, His laws), to allow him to shape us into a godly being while simultaneously striving for it ourselves. The submission to God's laws are, in my opinion, a MAJOR one.

Christianity teaches that these laws are done away with, think for a moment how that sounds. "You don't have to follow God's laws anymore", it sounds awfully like what a certain serpant said to Eve a long time ago. Unless we can discern and use higher-thinking, we will be swayed by the rational of men.

For example, you mentioned how it doesn't seem fair or right that God could shape people to follow his orders, are you saying He cannot do as He pleases? Who are you to decide this?

My point is that the world has shifted towards making God accountable, which is why many Athiests (at least the ones I know) are the way they are. It is not fair, they say, that God does this or expects that. Well excuse me, but He created the universe and He DOES have a plan for it. So if you think he's gonna change his plan when it clearly says "He is the same yesterday today and forever" than I can't reason with you.Furthermore, if what He is doing seems wrong to you, too bad. You can't wish him out of existence nor change his mind about certain things. The All-Powerful Creator runs the show, and just like when a mod of mine in a game is behaving contrary to what I want it to do, so God will "delete" thjose who do not do as he pleases.

Athiests get FURIOUS on that point, they lose it. and I can KIND of see why, on the other hand, if I held a gun to their head and told them to do something or I'd kill them, I guaruntee they would do it, especially if it where for their own good and the good of others. God's rule and his laws are the same thing.

 Sorry for the rant, but I didn't know how else to explain my stance on the "potter and the clay" thingy. So yes, we do have free will, but recognising our faults (especially the inherent ones, i.e. "born that way") is essential to transcending above the humanly-physical condition to spiritual.

I loved it. And indeed, I toowas reminded by the Jehovah idea that only 144,000 people are allowed into heaven.

optiow

Why thank you! :D I sometimes forget you are part of this union, granted I don't visit here very often. The deal with the "limited access to heaven" idea is something I believe in as a matter of fact. I believe that God only wants people who can follow his laws, but the grey areas are, as you probably sensed from the poem, a sense of struggling for me at times. But all the more reason to look into them, for without the need to improve, we would not have made it past being cave men imo. I do not believe that only 144, 000 make it into heaven though, my interpretation is, as I've stated previously, that that number represents the saints or people of greatness to God's cause.

Well from what I understand of the 144 000 they are the ones who are of the first resurrection, not those of the second. In shgort, they are the "special" people of God, the martyrs and the like, at least that's how I read it. It also seems contradictory if Jesus knew only 144 000 would be saved but still sent his deciples to try and convert the whole world. Nevertheless it is an interesting thing to speculate about.

As for the poem, glad you enjoyed it. I've been wrestling with my beliefs lately because my intuition says one thing but I can't find anywhere to back it up in the scriptures. All in all, the poem says it, and of course the title refers to Romans 9:31 "Hath not the potter power over the clay..." I guess I was wondering if that's not exactly what my situation is. 

Just wrote this one, just now. Hope you enjoy. :)

Is there room
For one more soul?

Are the lines of Heaven being drawn,
Against the train of my thoughts when I cannot perceive the mix?
Is it truly grey…
?

Will the sheltered mind be blameless for it's ignorance?
How does intent play a role-to-come
When the answer is not there?

Not but a feeling,
That denies the solid ground I have come to stand upon;
All my faith within the titles,
Seemingly irrelevant as the decision floats there
Without a name.

The morality problem,
When simplified,
Is conscience.

While just a feeling, it can be evil or good,
The dependence relies on an upbringing,
Which could easily contradict
The purest form of good
With the seductions of evil.
 

I enjoyed this poem immensely! Lines like this:

but

the embrace from any of the heavenly

fills with absence as shade

from space overcomes the sky.

XENOmorph00010

simply stunning, and, for me, seem to speak of the vastness of existence beyond our own comprehension, but visable if we would care to open our eyes and see it.