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#1  Edited By ABtoxin
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@tormentos said:
@pc_rocks said:

When one writes an essay to counter a single question you should know you have hit a nerve on the head.

So, can you answer the question since you jumped in?

Did you find the $500 PC that beats the PS5?🙂

Yes probably sometime after it launches like every generation. The Pandemic will just slow it down a bit.

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@dzimm said:
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...there has to be proof that they were stolen.

It's like buying high end camera gear on the cheap from a "grey market" vendor on a street corner and then deluding yourself by saying, "I don't know for sure that it's stolen, so I'm buying it in good faith. Maybe the guy selling a top of the line Nikkor lens for $25 just wants to give me a good deal!"

Same as buying a used console or game on ebay.

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#3  Edited By ABtoxin
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@dzimm said:
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@dzimm: a authorized seller is someone who gets the key from the publisher. The other buy them from legit stores using currency exchange in cheaper regions which isn’t illegal. The publisher still get the money. That why publishers can’t do anything about the grey market. If it was than non of these sellers would exist.

And if piracy was illegal then it wouldn't exist, right?

Publishers take action whenever they can (for example, one "grey market" site was recently court ordered to pay the developer of Factoria nearly $40,000 for selling illegally obtained keys), but like any widespread crime, it's impossible to completely stamp out.

If its bought by stolen credit card than of course it would be considered a crime the difference is there has to be proof that they were stolen. For indie developer it maybe a big deal when their games are sold cheaper online but big publisher haven't been able to do a thing because they know most of the time they can't prove how cd keys were obtained.

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@dzimm: a authorized seller is someone who gets the key from the publisher. The other buy them from legit stores using currency exchange in cheaper regions which isn’t illegal. The publisher still get the money. That why publishers can’t do anything about the grey market. If it was than non of these sellers would exist.

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#5  Edited By ABtoxin
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@dzimm said:
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@dzimm: Its called the grey market even that isn't illegal either.

"Grey market" is a myth. That's the term people use when they know something is probably illegal, but they want to pretend that their deliberate ignorance somehow makes it okay.

Nope its legal otherwise publisher would have done something about it long ago. No different than buying a used game from Game Stop.

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@filthyn00b said:

ive bought a doom2016 cd key off ebay to unlock the game off steam, id like to know where other services you use to redeem these cd keys @ besides steam?

Authorized Seller: Indiegala, fanatical, gamebillet, GMG, and newegg

Grey Market Seller: Eneba and cdkeys

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@Litchie said:

Bought a few games from some of those sites. Steam sales happen so often that I rarely feel tempted, though.

If I can find a game I want for like half the price Steam is asking for, I'm probably taking the deal, but when the price is like 5-10 euro less than Steam, it feels better to just buy directly from Steam.

Newly release games can be at least 20 dollars cheaper than Steam depending on title. Some site have pretty frequent deals as well.

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@dzimm: Its called the grey market even that isn't illegal either.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Only hermits would be proud of buying games illegally.

Buying cd keys aren't illegal bud. Don't know where you got this from because it isn't.

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#10 ABtoxin
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I been buying lots of games from legit cd key sellers to non authorized ones. The prices are just too good to beat. Not sure who in the world would be against buying games cheaper it certainly allowed me to play newer games at a lower price than if I bought from Steam Store. Don't think I bought a game directly from steam in ages. Funny how the people who are against this don't want others to get games at a cheaper price. Anyone else buy their games mostly from these key sellers as opposed to places like steam?