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#1 angel_warrior3k
Member since 2005 • 50 Posts

Lets cut to the chase here.

  • The developers for Tony Hawk had far more time with the dev kits to optimise the code to allow faster loading times for the 360 version compared to the PS3 version - hence the hideous performance on the PS3.
  • With Oblivion, the PS3 version was made to cache upon boot, hence the additional loading time (and better fluidity post boot)
  • With R6 Vegas, we do not know if that 360 still had cached data on its HDD or not (ie, if he went through the recommended... what? 5 game caching cycle)

Either ways, the PS3, as you all know (given the slower data transfer rate when on the outer edges of a blue-ray disk) will indeed have slower booting [ed] times.

However, developers also have the opportunity to cache to HDD on every PS3. Hence, like computers with SATA drives - post initial boot - the PS3 version will have superior loading / streaming performance (given equally optimised code on both systems).

Whether we'll ever see games equally optimised in the PS3's favour or not is another question. I'm beginning to believe that western developers' knowledge of each hardware make will never reach a point where they can get more performance out of the PS3 version (when code begins for the 360 or PC).

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PS. How on earth does the Cell have anything to do with this? Crap like that is just flame-bait.

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#2 angel_warrior3k
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I'm already going to buy one these winter holidays - but a price cut would be the difference between me getting a PS3 and 4 games and a PS3 and 1 game.
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#3 angel_warrior3k
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Ok, the wii is doing fantastically this generation - expanding what was a niche to what is now an entire platform. The thing about this is, the major contributing factors of this astounding success may well change in a couple of weeks;

- Positive Press

Positive press for the Wii has greatly assisted the ever expanding wii adoption rate. However, positive press has been generated thus far by the rather lacklustre performance of the PS3.

Why just the PS3 and not the 360? Thats exactly my point.

If you consider the press, as it currently stands, any mention of Microsoft brings around mention of Sony, and visa versa. What this leads to is a surprising exception to the old rule "there's no such thing as bad publicity". Negative press towards the PS3 has transformed conversations in the mass media to 1~2 sentences about the X360, followed by a minute on how poorly the "old king" is performing, proceeded by a minute about how the Wii is such a smashing success.

With E3, we can assume that this will all change. This is not to say that MS or Sony will win E3 - but rather, the sheer amount of positive PR surrounding all three consoles will change the current media stance from "Ms.... well, the ps3 sucks and the wii rocks" to "the console race is heating up!". Thus, mention of any of the three consoles will (assumably) no longer extend to a discussion of the entire war as currently standing, but rather, be a more concise statement on their general condition.

Further, from this influx of positive PR for all three consoles, the current element of excited exposition in the media's dealings with the consoles will wane. Hence, we will see a dip in articles in the Money section of X publishing concerning current predictions of the console war.

- Initial Adoption

Of the (lets just say) 10,000,000 sales of the Wii console thus far, it is currently unknown how many of these purchases have been console owners converted to the Wii, Nintendo die hards and general consumers caught in the hype.

Taking the GameCube as an example, initial sales for the unfortunate box were very promising, however, once all the people who were already going to purchase the console had purchased it - the demand halted. Furthermore, the vastly higher figure of this initial adoption period may well be effected to an unknown extent by the growth of the gaming industry in general. How many of those 10,000,000 are this generation's equivalent to the nintendo die-hard fan who bought the Cube on release?

- The iPhone

As mentioned previously, two major contributing factors in the abundant wii sales have been the media, and more importantly, hype. The question of how many people bought the Wii because it was the 'hip' thing to buy is currently going to be answered - by the iPhone.

To give an example, the CNET consumer electronics editor made 10 predictions of what major events would happen in 2007. One of these was (in effect) "the iphone will receive rave reviews in spite of being a fundamentally flawed product". His prediction came true with CNET awarding the iPhone an 8/10 and the obsurd sales of said product in spite of its price, as noted by many a useless thread.

As mentioned previously, due to the negative press surrounding Sony and the wonderfully low price-point of the Wii, Nintendo enjoyed a huge amount of consumer demand sprouting from media spin. The Wii became the next big Fad in sales, with everyone and their dog buying the wii.

The counter-argument to this is, of course, that the Wii formula simply worked and that the media hype machine was only a small contributing factor. However, one must consider the speed of the adoption. If one considers the current success of the Wii mostly being due to the fun factor and how people are seeing their friends play with the Wii and suddenly want one, you still do not have anything near the current consumer demand.

Why? The relationship between supply and demand. Example;

Say you invite your friend to your house - we all know that what you'll end up playing is not your X360 or PS3, or PC, but your Wii. Now say they had so much fun that they all went out the next day to buy a Wii.

They get to the store - and there are none in stock. Or perhaps one or two of them gets a wii, and the rest do not.

Now, this initial let down serves to dispel most of that initial hype which drove them to buy a Wii in the first place - generated by the initial experience. So those same people who rushed out to buy the Wii on the very next day will now say "oh - I'll check in later" - and we all know, most of these people will have forgotten by then, because they prob. weren't too into gaming to begin with.

So one month later, another party is thrown in your house - but this time you either play the same games you played last time they came over on your Wii, or you play with your 360/PS3. Why? The current drought in games.

Supply and demand. The current rate of expansion in wii sales simply cannot be purely because of those parties, simply because the Wii has been out of stock for a large percentage of this period, and games have been hard to come by. Your convincing those people that gaming is fun does not invoke the amount of hype required for that person to go out of their way to get a Wii (via lining up / calling in before going to the store over a couple of weeks).

The expansion through this method does exist, but simply cannot account for the current drive in Wii sales.

So, lets extend the previous analogy. Say those friends did indeed come over and play those wii games - then proceeded to fail to get a wii the next day. Then what happens? The Wii is on Good Morning America the next day (or whatever people watch in the morning) - and so the hype stays with them.

So that amount of positive press + those people who are purely effected by the Wii being the 'it' thing does indeed account for the extreme sales.

Then comes the iPhone and E3.

what do you think happens now?

(I'm not saying the wii is doomed or anything, I actually want your collective input)

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#4 angel_warrior3k
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i'm not impressed, it looks like Tomb Raider with better graphics. kenmid

I'm sorry if most people don't only play shooters. By the same train of thought Gear of War is just kill.switch. with better graphics (which we all know, it's not). Jeez.

Take off those fanboy goggles and be a GAMER - its not like just because you like the 360 or whatnot, all other games are derivative and suck by comparison.

Graphical prowess aside, I'm more excited by the animation quality and physics - oh, and the massive, streaming environments.

Quality stuff.

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#5 angel_warrior3k
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Ya that is true. Lemmings are always hoping to get Ace Combat 6, Eternal Sonata, Gears Of War, Bioshock.....Oh wait thats the cows.Eltroz

Has anyone actually given a damn about Eternal Sonata? Personally, the only 360 games I've wanted, as a PS3 boy, have been Viva Pinata and Gears Of War (bioshock less so, as I prefer multiplayer shooters - and either ways shooters dont overly impress me).

I back the PS3 because it has a wider selection of exclusive games, thankyou very much.

Ah well, at least you guys aren't clammering all over MGS4 and FFXIII, cos you're getting those... right?

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#6 angel_warrior3k
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it's the other way around...:|

gamergeekgeek

The PS3 gets hotter than the X360, true - however, it doesn't "overheat" as much as the 360.

IE not many PS3s to date, if any, have reported getting so overheated that their internal soldering work has melted apart. (ehem, red rings)

More importantly, very few, if any, PS3s to date have had significant hardware issues at all.

The only HARDWARE advantages the X360 has are choice and a controller which doesn't have dropout issues.

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#7 angel_warrior3k
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Oh come on, PCs are only faster than modern day consoles if you spend 2~4x of their cost on hardware. Heck, flagship graphics cards are the cost of the PS3.

PCs are always the most powerful platform (graphically - both the PS3 and 360 cpus put the core2 to shame), but thats only if you dish out the cash. We're not all graphics wh***s, and the rest of us console gamers can be satisfied that we'll be getting competitive graphics throughout the console's lifespan for no extra upgrade costs, nor frame-rate issues.

Plus, we can spend that extra cash buying games (games which weren't made for a console then ported over). (and screw Crysis - most PC gamers couldn't even run it at solid speeds)

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#8 angel_warrior3k
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The PS3 hardrive can be replaced with a computer one and the 360's can't.Kekira

Indeed.

Further more, the "portable-ness" of the 360 HDD is matched with those "useless" card readers. Thanks, but I'd like to lend my friend game saves at uni without going over to his house (or buying a memory card).

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#9 angel_warrior3k
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I agree with vip3r666.

For me, what would make me think this game was truly awesome is if the environment was finally actually fully destructible. No, not lamp posts being able to be shot down with a rifle (for some frikin reason) - an explosion SHOULD take out the wall next to it, and then, people SHOULD be able to walk through it.

I would love to see a Crush-like FPS, where you can blow apart any part of the environment to free up more of it - say a spawning area opens to a corridor, but you know that the other team has a 5s advantage to get to the rocket launcher spawn point. I would wait until my team left, then sacrifice myself to blow open the back wall w/ a grenade so that the next time we spawn, that wall will be gone, giving us a time advantage.

Either that or the dev team pulling off proper aim with the six axis - being able to move your hands to pinpoint your target on screen as opposed to using the right analog stick (at least as an option) - utilising tilt sensitivity. If they get this to work, they get my full respect.

I believe that they are overly confident about this game for some reason, and that the press event will feature fully playable demos (perhaps with developers being there to walk them through it, like the LBP demo @ gamers day) - then not have those demos on the show floor.

Either ways, the trailer will be shown at the conference, methinks.

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#10 angel_warrior3k
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As most if not all of you know, invites for Killzone have been sent to all the major gaming press outlets and blogs for an event planned to be shown as an after party to the Microsoft press conference.

As Seen Here

The question I pose is not "omg-do-you-think-this-will-be-awexome-or-not!!??!11!!" but a shift from that question towards another - what do you think the timing of this event means?

Is Sony that confident that killzone will impress that they're holding this event at that timeslot to show microsoft up?

Or is it an ill boding as the event is press-only and so exclusive? (echoes from the previous showing of killzone)


And perhaps more importantly, DO you think killzone will impress and why (given that the previous console killzone was terrible)?

Almost all of us know that the graphics achieved in the CGI representation of the game's direction are almost impossible, do you think that something else about the game is what will impress?

Some fantastic control scheme perhaps?

So - in general, if the graphics of Killzone are not particularly good, what would it take for the game to impress you?

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