Seriously, this is one of the most ******** things I've seen on a gaming site.

MODERATOR EDIT: Don't use that word.

@Murderstyle75:

Actually Gears was pretty innovative and popular. Why is it when people ask these questions they always discount the most popular games on the system?

@Murderstyle75:

I get why you have to jerry rig it to work, but what I'm saying is while it may suck, it's not evil. Look at how much money Sony and MS invest into making these systems, yet they sell them at a loss, or a laughably low profit. So of course they are going to try an recoup money where they can. Companies do this all the time, they sell their product cheap and hope to make up the lost profits elsewhere. If they didn't, they wouldn't be making these systems as they wouldn't make enough to justify the costs. They don't make these systems for you to have a good time and save money, they make them to make a buck, keep investors happy and make payroll.

I'm not defending a corporation, I'm defending a practice done by most companies.

I find it rather arrogant of you to act as though your above "us guys" because we don't seem to have our panties in a bunch because MS/Sony hasn't given us everything in their package to save us $. And that what it comes down to. You're upset because they didn't design a system or peripherals to make it as cheap as it can be for you.

As for including a screw, that would annoy that absolute piss out of me. It's annoying enough on kids toys, let alone having it on mine. As I already said, tape is an easy fix to this problem. Now see what's not exactly good for you, it's good for me. Just because your desires are not meant, doesn't mean there's some evil conspiracy.

The reason I asked about your other kid is if you let him have things your 2 year old could choke on, it's seems awfully odd why you would target the X1 controller when your youngest could get his hands on other potential hazards. It's seem like a lot of manufactured outrage to me as with most things this generation.

Don't lump me in with some blind loyalist, it's not like I'm praising MS and bashing sony for their respective design choices. I've just had enough with the constant whining that's been present ever since MS' E3 show. It's either about the kinect, batteries, headset, resolution, HD space, or the overblown DRM controversy.

@Murderstyle75:

I did read your post entirely.

Sure if you look at an added .50 cost, it doesn't seem like that much. But, multiply that by millions of units made and the cost goes up exponentially. That's how businesses look at things, and when you are selling a product where profit margins are slim, a company will cut costs where it can. They already have the more expensive system, they need to stay competitive price-wise. Now, whether this was the reasoning behind it no one can say for sure. Maybe you are right, but does that make them inherently evil? Is it wrong for a company to provide incentive to sell more product to make a greater profit? Of course not. Companies sell extended warranties for their products, is it a scam that they don't give you more than one year? No, they give you one and you have the choice to pay for the perk of having 2 more years.

Tbh, I'm not aware of the whole audio thing. Thing is, MS isn't forcing you to do anything you don't want to do. They are not forcing you to buy added products to play or use the system out of the box. Nobody has to buy a TB headset to use the system. If what they were charging for the adapter is too expensive, then a person could wait for a deal or buy used. Does it really surprise you they took your ambassadorship away? What company in it's right mind would want someone working on it's behalf telling customers ways it can avoid purchasing it's products? I'd love to have Colonel Sandars' recipe so I could save a few bucks and make their chicken at home. But I hardly doubt KFC wouldn't fire someone on the spot if they were telling everyone who walked through the door how to DIY.

Having a rechargeable battery doesn't increase your fun, nor does it give someone an advantage over the guy who doesn't own one. MS isn't the only company that sells a product with proprietary parts. If you don't like that, then buy a computer to game on.

Again, like most companies, they would rather you buy their product than act like Mcgyver. A mechanic isn't going to teach you how to fix your car if you asked because he would rather you pay him to do it. Yet, your logic would say he's ripping you off if he declined your request. He's not going to give you a price for a part and then proceed to tell you that down the road you can get it for a lot cheaper. That's not unethical, it's smart business.

Just because they are not giving you exactly what you want, doesn't mean they are ripping you off. Like most business, MS made a product that works and left it up to you if you want to "upgrade" what you purchased. MS and Sony are in the business to make money and charge the most they can to maximize profits which is what they should do if they want to stay in business. If you are going to say MS is screwing you because they are not giving you something that sony is, then one could make an argument that Sony is doing the exact same thing because they didn't include a camera in the package.

But why stop at battery packs. There was a time when systems used to come with 2 controllers, now it's one. If we are going by your logic, both these companies are ripping you off because most times, people need more than one controller. You can pick from a whole list of things a company could add but doesn't and call them greedy if we employ your reasoning. I'd been very happy if they had included a clip or made the kinect in a way so it can sit atop my TV, but they didn't. Oh well, I knew that going into my purchase, now it's up to me if I want to pay extra for what I preferred. One thing is for sure, I'm not going to call their decision to not include one a "scam."

People railing about this sound like entitled children throwing a tantrum because they are not getting everything they want. This is very reminiscent of the whole DRM debate. It's as if MS was holding a gun to our heads forcing us to buy their product whether or not we liked what they were selling.

When it comes down to it, you have 2 companies that are offering different things for a similar experience. If one doesn't have what you want, then go to the one that does. If consumers are not feeling they are getting enough value out of MS' system, they won't purchase it. It's not MS' fault people are choosing to pay extra for a rechargeable batteries when there are other options.

BTW, you never answered me about if your 12 year old can't have things that your 2 year old could hurt himself with. If not, then your whole argument is invalid based on inconsistency.

Failed with the 360? You can't be serious. At first I thought you were, but then I saw this:

"While the xbox one is more of a media center than a gaming console, and a bad one at that."

@Murderstyle75:

So I guess your desire trumps everyone's. And if a company doesn't give you exactly what YOU want, that means they are screwing you over. I could just possible be they can't please everybody could it? Maybe MS just wanted to give people options and maybe keep costs down. I could say that Sony is the one that's ripping you off because you have to buy their battery or controller if something goes wrong with the power supply. But I won't do that, they most likely felt this was something the majority of their gamers wanted.

As I stated earlier, I'm happy I don't have to plug my controller in for a couple of reasons: Corded controllers don't work well when you have a 2 year old that likes to run in front of you while you're playing. It was very frustrating when I had one for the 360. Not only did my kid trip over it, he also found it highly entertaining to unplug it while I was playing. I'm sure you've experienced that with your own. Further, I really don't want to have to remember to charge the thing as well. Now that's just for me. Sure, there are people like you who prefer a rechargeable battery pack , but there are many like me who don't.

What's funny is you saying I'm blindly loyal to a company because I happen to prefer a way they do something, while you sit there and claim this is just a money making scheme on the part of MS because they are not copying Sony. So who's the fanboy here?

Further, there are ways to child proof your controller if you are worried your kid will swallow batteries. Besides the fact no 2 year old could open that thing up on his own unless he chucks it against a wall, you could put some tape or something else over it. Not great, but childproofing a house isn't always pretty either.

So you must not let your 12 year old own anything that your 2 year old could get a hold of and harm himself with? That's what I'd really like to know above anything in this discussion.

So get out of here with this "I'm above you all attitude" because you do not see things more clearly than anyone else here.

@Murderstyle75:

Simple solution: Put your controller out of reach and problem's solved. That's what I do to things I don't want my kids touching.

This whole argument is silly. It's freaking batteries for crying out loud. Some people like a charge pack, some don't care or would rather not have one.

You people act as though this adds so much to the gaming experience. What I find funny about you drones is how you say MS is nickle and diming us and then praise Sony for it's new PS Now where it will charge you to play games you already paid for. Sony fans are the most hypocritical gamers in the industry. MS makes "cable box" according to you people, yet it's so cool that the PS has an app for Dish Network.

Just stop, grow the hell up and recognize both companies have created systems that will provide people with a lot of fun.

@marcheegsr:

Commonsense would tell us it would be biased, however the sony drones love to do nothing but spam any topic related to the x1. Just look at this site and others over the last 8 months and you'll understand.

To the OP: it all depends on which one has the games you like and what you want out of a system. They each have their pros and cons.

My opinion is the X1 offers more and will continue to offer more as it's designed to grow with the cloud. It's not an underpowered system by any stretch. I've loved the system since I've had it and have no regrets paying $100 more. The kinect works great, live is still good(admittedly it does need some work). Before someone chimes in with the whole "exclusive" argument, MS has a strong year coming up and they also said they plan on being very active in the exclusives dept compared to the 360(which wasn't as bad as some drones would lead you to believe.)

wow people will pick on the stupidest things. It's all preference people. Had MS forced us to use a battery pack I would have something that I didn't prefer. I'm happy I have the option to choose what I want to use. By the way, wasn't the lack of options one of the biggest things people complained about the last few months? You all sound like a bunch of immature kids crying over such ridiculous nonsense. Seriously, you want rechargeable, you have options, you don't, then you have options.

I for one am happy I don't have to plug my controller in every night, or have to charge it while I play. Having a 2 and 6 year old running around the house doesn't make having a corded controller very convenient.

To the guy that says he has a 2 year old and has nothing in his house that takes batteries: what the hell kind of lame toys are you buying your kid?