i don't know if you guys have ever seen this, but its a South Korean girl band known as Baby VOX performing to a North Korean audience. check it out.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xo7liYi1kA8

another one from the same event, except a boy band known as Shinhwa.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QM1avYwLC6I&feature=related

1º There is no oil or any other valuable natural resource on North Korea and they don't represent a threat to US, so the US government would never make a war against it.(No, they don't represent a threat because they are smart enough to realize that a nuclear war against America would be a defeat to them, and they most likely don't even have nuclear weapons, they were just bragging to get international aid.)

2º North-Koreans love their government so an occupation by the US would be much much worst that the current situation in Iraq after the war is over.

3º North Korea and South Korea are currently working so that in any future they can reunite as a single Korea, with a capitalist democratic government. Negotiations of peace between the Koreas have never been so good as now, so a war would be the worst for north Koreans right now.

G-Man88

good claims, particularly the first one.

regarding the second one though, it is generally accepted the majority of north koreans are only loyal due to fear, not genuine "love". most north koreans would gladly rid kim jong il if they could and welcome south korea ideoligy.

the third one, i haven't read anything that north korea is cooperating to create a capitalist democratic government in the future. any sources?

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Heres a few quotes from an article regarding the Chinese-North Korean relationship BlackAlpha666 cited:

"For the Chinese, stability and the avoidance of war are the top priorities," Sneider says. "From that point of view, the North Koreans are a huge problem for them, because Pyongyang could trigger a war on its own.

"the Chinese can live with a nuclear North Korea, because they see the weapon as a deterrent against the United States, not them," agrees Segal.

"This is not a warm and fuzzy relationship," he says. "North Korean officials look for reasons to defy Beijing."

whether the chinese would actually be sided with either america or north korea is very unclear. china has been allies with north korea since beyond the korean war; on the other hand, i doubt china supports the brutal grip north korea holds on its citizens.

BlackAlpha666

Maybe but usually such relations are about profits and China makes a lot of profit from North Korea. I don't think they will want to lose that money. I think if the USA builds up a relation with China and gives them a way to make money out of the war, then I think China will decide to turn it's back on North Korea. Like somebody else has suggested, maybe allow them to take control of North Korea, with the support of the US military.

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I think that they would rather try to nuke South Korea. North Korea has threatened to bombard South Korea with artillery installations if war breaks out between them, so I don't see why they wouldn't want to nuke them too. I guess if war breaks out with Americans, North Korea will say that South Korea is working together with the Americans.

Hewkii

Nuclear Fallout, for one, and the fact that at at least one point, both Koreas wished to be unified, but under separate ideologies.

I'm no expert on this but I've looked at some wind maps to see how the wind moves in Korea and it looks like it's mostly going west and south west. So if they nuke South Korea, somewhere away from the North Korean's border, it shouldn't affect North Korea. Not too much anyway.

hopefully, and quite likely, china would put human rights in front of their profits considering the level on which north korea has violated (human rights).

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check this out:

The Pentagon's missile defense chief predicted on Friday that interceptor rockets would hit and destroy a North Korean missile in flight if President Bush gave the order to attack it on a path to U.S. territory.

Hoobinator

Patriot missile failure in Gulf War.

Don't believe everything the US government or military tells you.

very true, but I think that America knocking down a North Korean missle is not irrational at this point in technology. fortunately since we are so far from north korea we have much more time to react, in contrast to south korea.

so my lil bro was in the car with me. we where driving to target. he saw this guy in the car next to him. my lil bro saluted at the guy. the guy turns around and salutes back. right then the traffic lights turn red and a car comes and hits his car. i saw the light turn red so i stopped. then i see both of the guy come out (thank god no one was hurt). and the guy who saluted screams "I HAVE NO INSURANCE ON MY CAR !". he just sits down by the car, and the other dude just stares at him. well ouch...i told my lil bro to stop saluting people hot_juicy_steak

O_O. that hurts.

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How many miles is Seoul from these batteries though? I have trouble believing that any sort of conventional weapon could reach that far. Are they like howitzers, rockets, what? I just find it hard to believe that until we have satellite targeting, it would be hard to hit anything farther than a couple miles. Then again, I'm not an artillery crewman. Besides, numbers are always exaggerated, especially if leaders like Kimmy lie about them. If we look at the Katyusha (sp?) attacks on Israel, those weren't too bad.

Besides, I'm sure that'd be a consideration in case of an invasion. Once they fire, I'm sure we'll hear "This is Hunter, enemy units in the hot zone are toast! Nice shooting!" from one of our A-10 pilots.

Anyone who gets the reference deserves a cookie.

BlackAlpha666

I just found this.

Regarding that, seems like North Korea is holding South Korea hostage. Ironic how the far economically and politically superior Korea is being exploited.

check this out:

The Pentagon's missile defense chief predicted on Friday that interceptor rockets would hit and destroy a North Korean missile in flight if President Bush gave the order to attack it on a path to U.S. territory.

source- http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-23-korea_x.htm

Heres a few quotes from an article regarding the Chinese-North Korean relationship BlackAlpha666 cited:

"For the Chinese, stability and the avoidance of war are the top priorities," Sneider says. "From that point of view, the North Koreans are a huge problem for them, because Pyongyang could trigger a war on its own.

"the Chinese can live with a nuclear North Korea, because they see the weapon as a deterrent against the United States, not them," agrees Segal.

"This is not a warm and fuzzy relationship," he says. "North Korean officials look for reasons to defy Beijing."

whether the chinese would actually be sided with either america or north korea is very unclear. china has been allies with north korea since beyond the korean war; on the other hand, i doubt china supports the brutal grip north korea holds on its citizens.

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ehhh no china is straining with north korea. check this out.

On July 4, North Korea test-fired a series of ballistic missiles despite explicit warnings from Beijing, Tokyo, and Washington. This led to an unusually public rebuke from Chinese officials, a sign of strain in the relationship. Despite their long alliance, experts say Beijing cannot control Pyongyang. "In general, Americans tend to overestimate the influence China has over North Korea," says Daniel Pinkston, a Korea specialist and director of the East Asia nonproliferation program at the Center for Nonproliferation Studies in Monterey, California. At the same time, China has too much invested in North Korea to halt or withdraw its support entirely. "The idea that the Chinese would turn their backs on the North Koreans is clearly wrong," says Adam Segal, the Maurice R. Greenberg senior fellow for China studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.

BlackAlpha666

Not exactly. The answer is in your quote. China has invested too much into North Korea to turn their backs on them just like that.

Read everything on the website.

I haven't read the website yet (will do), but the Chinese-Korean relationship at this point isn't enough for the Chinese to fire on Americans.

concerning the china and american relationship, consider this: china's political system is relatively far more similar to the north koreans.

regarding this, american and chinese uphold similar views regarding foreign policy in contrast to the dictatorship of north korea.